Re: on original sin

Yeah, not the same . . . analogous, as in 'the closets thing' they both 
address the capacity of human's to do evil, and that is where the 
similarities end I suppose.

--On Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:46 PM -0800 itrath <[email protected]> 
wrote:

>
> salaam,
>
> how is that orginal sin?  the idea is not to "prove" we are worthy.  the
> idea is to live our life well and make the choice to do good.  the idea
> that each of us bears our own burden and no on else's burden is central.
>
> masalaama,
>
> itrath
>
>  2/5/04 6:37 PM, Afdhere Jama at [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> > salam,
> >
> > actually, original sin is as much part of islam as it is in
> > christianity. and in many sense, far more "driven" in islam than it is
> > in christiantiy.
> >
> > while christianity blames us for adam, the qur'an actually sort of
> > blames all of mankind. for example, 7:172 of the qur'an talks about
> > bring us all from the future... to bear witness of god's existance and
> > oneness. and then in 33:72, the qur'an talks about mankind choosing the
> > responsiblity to choose, which all of the other creations apparently
> > refused.
> >
> > also, in the qur'an, god warned adam and eve not to approach the tree
> > or that they would be of the devil. so the choice was actually all
> > theirs.
> >
> > that said, traditional islam teaches that the world is 'transit' and
> > that we are here to 'prove' ourselves to god--- that yes, god is one...
> > that yes, we can follow god's orders, etc.
> >
> > yes, we don't walk around saying "oh, we are so sinful" ... and yes,
> > each individual is responsible for their actions. this is because god
> > forgave adam and eve and hence we all have a 'second' chance to "prove"
> > ourselves.
> >
> > i think the 'original sin' is more of a abrahamic-faith rather than
> > 'christianity' or 'islam' or whatever.
> >
> >
> >
> > afdhere
> >
> >
> > Afdhere Jama
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> >> From: "Caridad" >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re:
> >> [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #364
> >> - 9 msgs >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:49:53 -0500 > >Salaam aleikum, >
> >> >I'm new here to some of you and am a returned member for those of you
> >> who >remember me from before. I just got back from living in Southern
> >> Africa (a >fabulous 9 months . . . I so wish I could just settle
> >> there), so have >returned to the list. > >I would like to respond to
> >> just one thing that y2 said: > > > I'm always reminded of a the
> >> 'original sin'. God told Adam do not eat >from > > this tree. God did
> >> NOT give Adam a reason like the tree is poisoness or >the
> >> > > tree will affect your state of mind...God simply gave Adam a direct
> >> order. > > Adam/Eve eventually ate from the tree, and that was the
> >> original sin. A > > simple insignificant innocent act of eating a
> >> fruit. > > > > The orignal sin was not rape, murder, theft...It was
> >> disobeying a simple > > insignificant order from God. But it was more
> >> than that wasn't it. >
> >> > Charity's comment: > >I wanted to point out that original sin is
> >> > actually a
> >> Christian theological >concept. Muslims believe that all people are
> >> born with innate goodness: >Fitrah. This theological concept says that
> >> ALL people are born muslim (with >a little 'm': submission to the
> >> Divine), with the innate nature to do good >and worship the One God,
> >> Allah. The theological concept of original sin >says that ALL people
> >> are born with this inherited original sin which >required the
> >> 'sacrifice' of Jesus to absolve, as well as the idea that
> >> > peoples' inherant nature is to choose to sin. There is NO concept of
> >> > original sin in Islam. We 'people' are responsible for our own
> >> > actions, not those of Adam, Eve, or any other predecesor. >I have to
> >> > say this difference
> >> is one of the main reasons for my choosing to >be a Muslim. For me it
> >> makes alot more sense . . . I like to meet people >and give them the
> >> benefit of the doubt. In most cases I find that people >are genuine,
> >> not out to hurt me or others consciously, etc. It is more in >tune
> >> with my innate optimism. With the idea of original sin, it means that
> >> >I would meet new people with the idea that this person's innate
> >> choice will >be evil, doing bad, trying to hurt, etc. So for me, the
> >> Muslim concept of >Fitrah is constantly reinforced in my contemplation
> >> of and experience in >Creation. > >I just wanted to make my voice
> >> heard :) he he he, and say hello to some of >the familiar faces here!
> >> > >-Charity > > >_______________________________________________
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