Re: on original sin

the point is that being on earth is not a punishment.  and that adam and eve
[may Allah bless their souls] were FORGIVEN.

itrath



on 2/6/04 11:10 AM, Afdhere Jama at [email protected] wrote:

> 
> salam, nermeen and itrath,
> 
> actually, god already knew that man would be placed in the earth before
> telling the angels, just as god summoned adam/eve and their progeny from the
> future. and like god said, god has  "ghaib"(the knowledge of the future) [see
> 2:33] 
> 
> the intention of god is separate from god's power of premonition-- where god
> knows what the human will do with what god presents to the human, just as the
> justice of punishment is separate from his intention. god's intention is what
> god does. for example, god put adam/eve in the garden. of course, god fully
> well knew they wouldn't stay there long ... but that was neither his intention
> nor his will... but the human's "foolish" choice :)
> 
> 
> 
> afdhere
> 
> 
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>> From: Nermeen Ismail >Reply-To: [email protected]
>> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re:
>> [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] on original sin >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:53:01
>> -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > being sent to earth was not part of the punishment.
>> > > repentance and > > forgiveness came first. > > > > itrath > >Absolutely.
>> The verse that talks about the first time >God told the angels about human
>> creation indicates >that from the very beginning the intention was for
>> >humans to be on earth. It is a feature not a >bug/punishment!. > >Salam > >
>> > > > > > > on 2/6/04 8:47 AM, Afdhere Jama at > > [email protected] wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > salam, sister eileen, > > > > > > well in the qur'an, the
>> punishment for adam and > > eve's sin was that they were > > > put in a world
>> where they had to fight sin all the > > time. me thinks we all face > > >
>> that punishment, no? and, yes, we are tainted as > > well. in the qur'an, god
>> > > > threatens adam and eve's descen