I want to get off this list too please

Hello everyone..

Please get me off this list too

Wassalam

>From: Rizwana Atcha <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] y2, on nature and morality
>Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:10:32 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Please take me off this list
>
>Afdhere Jama <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>salam, br. na'eem,
>
>or perhaps some of us know our history a little too well? you might not 
>know this but there a few qur'anic versions out there. and there were even 
>a few more... before khalif 3uthman burned the rest. why? well, i don't 
>know... why not ask tabari :) so, like you were wondering to yameen... 
>perhaps those "itsy-bit little tiny" mentions were in the other versions? 
>to be honest, i really don't care. i don't look at the qur'an as my *guide* 
>to everything but rather... as my dhikr/rememberance of allah.
>
>yes, the qur'an has full of pretty outdated thingies to many of us. no, it 
>is not outdated to my somali relatives and my arab brothers and sisters in 
>the desert. said enough? :) but then again... i wouldn't try to explain to 
>them about paternity tests or the fact that my sisters in the west need not 
>"cover" as *whacked* men now have women like ... say ... pamela lee ... to 
>look at all they want :)
>
>being muslim is not 'cultural.' islam is a faith. as a muslim, one believes 
>in the oneness of god and submits to that. the rest (including muhammad, 
>the qur'an, the hadiths, the salat, etc etc etc) are details that come 
>after that fact.
>
>as for becoming sexually promoscuos, isn't there anything between exposing 
>oneself to diseases and being married? how about trying the way of prophet 
>sulaiman and that cute queen sheba? you know... being totally in love, 
>monogomous, having children together without even marrying :)
>
>i have a lesbian muslim friend couple who live in canada (one of them 
>writes a colum for the arabic version of the magazine i edit, though we 
>translate her column for the online english version.) they have been 
>together -- oh give and take -- thirty years. they have three children 
>together. yet - oh gasp! - they never "married." must've been livin' in 
>sin.
>
>afdhere
>
>
>
>Afdhere Jama
>Editorial Director
>HURIYAH Publications
>S A N F R A N C I S C O
>[email protected]
>http://www.huriyahmag.com
>
> >From: "Na'eem Jeenah" >Reply-To: 
>[email protected] >To: 
>[email protected], 
>[email protected] >Subject: Re: 
>[Progressivemuslimsnetwork] y2, on nature and morality >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 
>2004 10:39:53 +0200 > >salaam Aisha > >I'm not suggesting I have any 
>exclusivity on defining these things, >but frankly, I don't regard anyone 
>who flippantly calls the Qur'an >full of "outdated thingies" revealed 1400 
>years ago as at all a >progressive Muslim. I think some of us mistake the 
>notion of a >'progressive Muslim' with someone who culturally is Muslim but 
>is >not terribly concerned about its sources, heritage and - often - >even 
>about Allah. > >Our complete commitment to and thorough reliance on Allah 
>and >our understanding of the crucial place of His revelation and the >need 
>to understand it within all contexts and allow it to guide our >lives in 
>all contexts is, imo, the central point about being a >progressive
>  Muslim. Without this, one can be whatever one likes: >liberal, socialist, 
>capitalist, secualrist, but please don't call >yourself a 'progressive 
>Muslim' imho. > >If paternity was the only limiting factor and paternity 
>tests solve >that 'problem' today, then hey, I could sleep with a 
>(different) >prostitute every night. And being unmarried, I don't even have 
>the >issue of a niggling guilty feeling of being unfaithful. And why get 
> >married anyway. Life would be so cool withouth such >encumbrances. NOT! > 
> >na'eem > >On 9 Feb 2004 at 13:25, Kate Ahmad wrote: > > > Salaam, > > I 
>agree Na'eem. I just cant understand the viewpoint that sex outside > > 
>marriage is Islamic. I think of myself as progressive - but the Quran > > 
>is still my guide. Sometimes I think that so called progressives are > > 
>twisting and distorting the Quran as much as our Wahabbi/Salafi > > 
>friends. I dont know how you can interpret that paternity is the only > > 
>limiting factor in our sexual relationships. Sounds
>  like an excuse to > > enjoy yourself if you ask me!!! > > > > Aisha > > 
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