RE: RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #408 - 10 msgs

interesting perspective.. Thank you for that.

what about women. If we take the quran literally. Then we should literally interpret that ommission to mean what????

If you take the quran literally then there really is no room for your interpretation as such. non masculine means non masculine, not gay. Unless its explicit right?? Isnt that what literal interpretaions literally mean... to be literal means not to interpret but to take at face value. A face value reading does not seem to reinforce your reasonable and valid point of view.

>From: "y2"

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>Subject: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #408 - 10 msgs

>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:20:08 -0500

>

>Salaams Feisal,

>

>Well, we just went through a big thread on this a few weeks ago. Obviously,

>there are going to be other views, but here we go anyways. Here's my view.

>Bare in mind I do beleive in the literal interpretation of the koran, and I

>don't believe parts of it can be dismissed.

>

>I don't think there is any room for homosexual marriage per say in Islam. I

>think the most 'accepting' Islam can be of Homosexuals is to think of them

>as a third sex. Kinda like how North American Native Indians have

>'two-spirited' people or any number of cultures around the world think. The

>koran, when speaking of marriage definitely speaks in terms of a man and a

>woman, so I believe the role of family is still reserved solely for a man

>and a woman.

>

>However, there are mentions in the Koran and in the hadiths of shall we call

>them 'non-masculine' men (Koran 24.31). I think they then have a role for

>such people, that does not include the role of a 'family' or that of the

>masculine man. They are allowed certain priveleges, such as to see women

>unveiled...but they also do not have certain priveleges, such as the right

>to a family. Now whether or not these non-masculine men applies to

>'castrated males' or homosexuals or both I don't know. But I think it is

>reasonable to think it applies to homosexuals.

>

>So basically, no I don't think homosexuals can marry and have a family

>within Islam. Of course, if you don't take the Koran literally or feel you

>can just dismiss certain aspects,well then that's your perogative and a case

>for anything and everything can be made. I think if there is a role for

>homosexuals in Islam, that is it. There is a third possibility in that

>these less masculine men should not be allowed to be homosexuals, but should

>simply not be sexual.

>

>Yameen

>

> >

> > Message: 1

> > To: [email protected]

> > Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:17:16 +0800 (SGT)

> > From: Feisal Abdul Rahman

> > Subject: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Can there be same-sex

> > union in Islam?

> > Reply-To: [email protected]

> >

> >

> > Assalamu'alaikum to everyone,

> >

> > With all the heated debate in the US and elsewhere regarding

> > same-sex marriage, I'm curious to find out from members of

> > this list as to whether there is, or if there can be, any

> > room for sanctification of same-sex unions in (progressive)

> > Islam, similar to that of the Protestant Church in the

> > Netherlands or of Reform/Reconstructionist Judaism. Thank you.

> >

> >

> >

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