Re: Can there be same-sex union in Islam?

Eileen,

Can you say more about this?

-Mudhillun

--On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:25 PM -0500 kas2eileen 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> salaam, I had been told that in the middle ages it was not uncommon for
> gay Muslim lovers to commit domestically via adoption and be recognized.
> Is this true? Eileen
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> > From Michigan where the democratic process flairs unwieldingly and
> > frighteningly!
> >
> > I think there's space in Islam for recognizing the bonds that tie people
> > together, regardless of the genders of those involved . . . and as we've
> > seen in the past, the number as well . . . obviously w/a caveat of
> Qur'anic
> > guidance and what can reasonably be expected for a relationship to bear
> > in the way of just treatment of participants as well as general
> > community welfare and spiritual enrichment.
> >
> > I had recently heard that there was in Imam here in the United States
> who'd
> > been in the practice of doing so. (I wonder what that Masjid is like,
> > I'd love to visit since it sounds like a place were all are welcome to
> > Allah's graces.)
> >
> > I just finished reading the submission in "Progressive Muslims" where
> Scott
> > Suraj Kugle talks about the place of sexual minorities in Islam. It gave
> me
> > a refreshing insight thereof.
> >
> > While I was at home with my mother Sunday, we listened to Kecia Ali,
> > Omida Safi, Mr. Wolf, and Ms. Muhammad talk about change in Islam. We
> > were talking about reform and she'd said that when the common
> > expectation becomes gender justice in Islam, the rest would fall in
> > line. I seem to remember that being an expectation or hope from some of
> > the other contributors in the book.
> >
> > I guess we have to ask our selves if we think it's a benefit to the
> > spiritual welfare of the community and the parties involved to recognize
> > same-sex relationships. Now, obviously as a civil law question I support
> > ALL who wish to cement a commitment of mutual care in this civil
> > institution simply as a matter of equality of legal application and
> general
> > social cohesion. Whereas, in a religious context, it's not so simple.
> >
> > I'd say if we agree that it's of benefit in our respective religious
> > communities (considering that this is a new phenomenon/question w/which
> > society is grappling in such a difficult and unique way), it seems the
> next
> > step is to look to the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sharia, and other guides
> > (heavy emphasis on the Qur'an itself if you ask me) in crossing this
> > bridge that heretofore hasn't been trodden so much . . . though I'd
> > recently seen a movie where in a part of North Africa, there had been a
> > community of
> miners
> > circa early 20th century who were in the practice of marrying one
> > another and it seemed pretty sincere and there may have been an element
> > of religious sanctity employed.
> >
> > Certainly Feisal, Reformed Judaism and the Dutch Protestant Churches are
> > also useful guides as is the history of same-sex unions in Catholicism
> > and even cultures of the Asia and Africa in the past.
> >
> > But this is premised on the assumption that we agree that same-sex
> marriage
> > has some benefit to the Islamic community and the individuals involved.
> >
> > I assume we won't sadly but I hope at least that in some of our
> communities
> > we will begin to think more about what it means to restrict whole groups
> of
> > people from certain aspects of Islam.
> >
> > May Allah guide us in this and ALL questions that perplex us,
> > Mudhillun
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:17 PM +0800 Feisal Abdul Rahman
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Assalamu'alaikum to everyone,
> > >
> > > With all the heated debate in the US and elsewhere regarding same-sex
> > > marriage, I'm curious to find out from members of this list as to
> whether
> > > there is, or if there can be, any room for sanctification of same-sex
> > > unions in (progressive) Islam, similar to that of the Protestant
> > > Church in the Netherlands or of Reform/Reconstructionist Judaism.
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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