Re: Can there be same-sex union in Islam?

salam,

there are historical references to a caliph (al-amin of the 9th century) and his openly boyfriend (kawthar.) and for some reason, there are many other homosexual couples who were quite accepted. some of these couples, obviously, had children. i'm still trying to find whether if some were more accepted because they had children or what.

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>From: "kas2eileen" >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Can there be same-sex union in Islam? >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:25:14 -0500 > >salaam, I had been told that in the middle ages it was not uncommon for gay >Muslim lovers to commit domestically via adoption and be recognized. Is this >true? Eileen >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:05 AM >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Can there be same-sex union in >Islam? > > > > From Michigan where the democratic process flairs unwieldingly and > > frighteningly! > > > > I think there's space in Islam for recogniz
ing the bonds that tie people > > together, regardless of the genders of those involved . . . and as we've > > seen in the past, the number as well . . . obviously w/a caveat of >Qur'anic > > guidance and what can reasonably be expected for a relationship to bear in > > the way of just treatment of participants as well as general community > > welfare and spiritual enrichment. > > > > I had recently heard that there was in Imam here in the United States >who'd > > been in the practice of doing so. (I wonder what that Masjid is like, I'd > > love to visit since it sounds like a place were all are welcome to Allah's > > graces.) > > > > I just finished reading the submission in "Progressive Muslims" where >Scott > > Suraj Kugle talks about the place of sexual minorities in Islam. It gave >me > &g
t; a refreshing insight thereof. > > > > While I was at home with my mother Sunday, we listened to Kecia Ali, Omida > > Safi, Mr. Wolf, and Ms. Muhammad talk about change in Islam. We were > > talking about reform and she'd said that when the common expectation > > becomes gender justice in Islam, the rest would fall in line. I seem to > > remember that being an expectation or hope from some of the other > > contributors in the book. > > > > I guess we have to ask our selves if we think it's a benefit to the > > spiritual welfare of the community and the parties involved to recognize > > same-sex relationships. Now, obviously as a civil law question I support > > ALL who wish to cement a commitment of mutual care in this civil > > institution simply as a matter of equality of legal application and >general
> > social cohesion. Whereas, in a religious context, it's not so simple. > > > > I'd say if we agree that it's of benefit in our respective religious > > communities (considering that this is a new phenomenon/question w/which > > society is grappling in such a difficult and unique way), it seems the >next > > step is to look to the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sharia, and other guides (heavy > > emphasis on the Qur'an itself if you ask me) in crossing this bridge that > > heretofore hasn't been trodden so much . . . though I'd recently seen a > > movie where in a part of North Africa, there had been a community of >miners > > circa early 20th century who were in the practice of marrying one another > > and it seemed pretty sincere and there may have been an element of > > religious sanctity employed. > > >
> Certainly Feisal, Reformed Judaism and the Dutch Protestant Churches are > > also useful guides as is the history of same-sex unions in Catholicism and > > even cultures of the Asia and Africa in the past. > > > > But this is premised on the assumption that we agree that same-sex >marriage > > has some benefit to the Islamic community and the individuals involved. > > > > I assume we won't sadly but I hope at least that in some of our >communities > > we will begin to think more about what it means to restrict whole groups >of > > people from certain aspects of Islam. > > > > May Allah guide us in this and ALL questions that perplex us, > > Mudhillun > > > > > > > > > > --On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:17 PM +0800 Feisal Abdul Rahman > > wrote
: > > > > > > > > Assalamu'alaikum to everyone, > > > > > > With all the heated debate in the US and elsewhere regarding same-sex > > > marriage, I'm curious to find out from members of this list as to >whether > > > there is, or if there can be, any room for sanctification of same-sex > > > unions in (progressive) Islam, similar to that of the Protestant Church > > > in the Netherlands or of Reform/Reconstructionist Judaism. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Powered by Gee! - Wireless Access Anywhere > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ProgressiveMuslims mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://willo.nitric.co.za/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/progressivemuslims > &
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