Re: Can there be same-sex union in Islam?

salaam, that is what I was hoping someone else would know about. It was told
to me by a gay man, now deceased who researched same sex unions in all
religions. I have the book Same Sex Unions but could not find a detailed
reference.Eileen
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> Eileen,
>
> Can you say more about this?
>
> -Mudhillun
>
> --On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:25 PM -0500 kas2eileen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > salaam, I had been told that in the middle ages it was not uncommon for
> > gay Muslim lovers to commit domestically via adoption and be recognized.
> > Is this true? Eileen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Can there be same-sex union in
> > Islam?
> >
> >
> > > From Michigan where the democratic process flairs unwieldingly and
> > > frighteningly!
> > >
> > > I think there's space in Islam for recognizing the bonds that tie
people
> > > together, regardless of the genders of those involved . . . and as
we've
> > > seen in the past, the number as well . . . obviously w/a caveat of
> > Qur'anic
> > > guidance and what can reasonably be expected for a relationship to
bear
> > > in the way of just treatment of participants as well as general
> > > community welfare and spiritual enrichment.
> > >
> > > I had recently heard that there was in Imam here in the United States
> > who'd
> > > been in the practice of doing so. (I wonder what that Masjid is like,
> > > I'd love to visit since it sounds like a place were all are welcome to
> > > Allah's graces.)
> > >
> > > I just finished reading the submission in "Progressive Muslims" where
> > Scott
> > > Suraj Kugle talks about the place of sexual minorities in Islam. It
gave
> > me
> > > a refreshing insight thereof.
> > >
> > > While I was at home with my mother Sunday, we listened to Kecia Ali,
> > > Omida Safi, Mr. Wolf, and Ms. Muhammad talk about change in Islam. We
> > > were talking about reform and she'd said that when the common
> > > expectation becomes gender justice in Islam, the rest would fall in
> > > line. I seem to remember that being an expectation or hope from some
of
> > > the other contributors in the book.
> > >
> > > I guess we have to ask our selves if we think it's a benefit to the
> > > spiritual welfare of the community and the parties involved to
recognize
> > > same-sex relationships. Now, obviously as a civil law question I
support
> > > ALL who wish to cement a commitment of mutual care in this civil
> > > institution simply as a matter of equality of legal application and
> > general
> > > social cohesion. Whereas, in a religious context, it's not so simple.
> > >
> > > I'd say if we agree that it's of benefit in our respective religious
> > > communities (considering that this is a new phenomenon/question
w/which
> > > society is grappling in such a difficult and unique way), it seems the
> > next
> > > step is to look to the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sharia, and other guides
> > > (heavy emphasis on the Qur'an itself if you ask me) in crossing this
> > > bridge that heretofore hasn't been trodden so much . . . though I'd
> > > recently seen a movie where in a part of North Africa, there had been
a
> > > community of
> > miners
> > > circa early 20th century who were in the practice of marrying one
> > > another and it seemed pretty sincere and there may have been an
element
> > > of religious sanctity employed.
> > >
> > > Certainly Feisal, Reformed Judaism and the Dutch Protestant Churches
are
> > > also useful guides as is the history of same-sex unions in Catholicism
> > > and even cultures of the Asia and Africa in the past.
> > >
> > > But this is premised on the assumption that we agree that same-sex
> > marriage
> > > has some benefit to the Islamic community and the individuals
involved.
> > >
> > > I assume we won't sadly but I hope at least that in some of our
> > communities
> > > we will begin to think more about what it means to restrict whole
groups
> > of
> > > people from certain aspects of Islam.
> > >
> > > May Allah guide us in this and ALL questions that perplex us,
> > > Mudhillun
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:17 PM +0800 Feisal Abdul Rahman
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Assalamu'alaikum to everyone,
> > > >
> > > > With all the heated debate in the US and elsewhere regarding
same-sex
> > > > marriage, I'm curious to find out from members of this list as to
> > whether
> > > > there is, or if there can be, any room for sanctification of
same-sex
> > > > unions in (progressive) Islam, similar to that of the Protestant
> > > > Church in the Netherlands or of Reform/Reconstructionist Judaism.
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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