Re: Can there be same-sex union in Islam?

salaam, are these books available in print today? Eileen
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Salaams all,

The film I was talking about was "The Path of Love" (Tarik El Hob) directed
by Remi Lange and in it, there's mention of the Siwa Oasis in Egypt. I wish
I could find more biblio data, I found it's documented in the 1990
Encyclopedia of Homosexuality, edited by Wayne Dynes. (New York: Garland,
v. 2, pp. 940-941, 1198).

A few years ago I read "Islamic Homosexualities" (New York University Press
1997) edited by Will Roscoe and Stephen O. Murray as well as "Sexuality and
Eroticism Among Males in Moslem Societies" (Harrington Park Press, 1991)
edited by Arno Schmitt and Jehoeda Sofer. They also document same-sex
relationships some with official and/or sacred recognition throughout
Islamic cultures/history.

"Seek ye knowledge from the cradle to the grave"
Mudhillun

--On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:24 PM -0800 Afdhere Jama
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> salam,
>
> there are historical references to a caliph (al-amin of the 9th century)
> and his openly boyfriend (kawthar.) and for some reason, there are many
> other homosexual couples who were quite accepted. some of these couples,
> obviously, had children. i'm still trying to find whether if some were
> more accepted because they had children or what.
>
> afdhere
>
>
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>  >From: "kas2eileen" >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Can there be same-sex
> union in Islam? >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:25:14 -0500 > >salaam, I had
> been told that in the middle ages it was not uncommon for gay >Muslim
> lovers to commit domestically via adoption and be recognized. Is this
> >true? Eileen >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday,
> March 03, 2004 9:05 AM >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Can
> there be same-sex union in >Islam? > > > > From Michigan where the
> democratic process flairs unwieldingly and > > frighteningly! > > > > I
> think there's space in Islam for recognizing the bonds that tie people >
> > together, regardless of the genders of those invo! lved . . . and as
> we've > > seen in the past, the number as well . . . obviously w/a caveat
> of >Qur'anic > > guidance and what can reasonably be expected for a
> relationship to bear in > > the way of just treatment of participants as
> well as general community > > welfare and spiritual enrichment. > > > > I
> had recently heard that there was in Imam here in the United States
> >who'd > > been in the practice of doing so. (I wonder what that Masjid
> is like, I'd > > love to visit since it sounds like a place were all are
> welcome to Allah's > > graces.) > > > > I just finished reading the
> submission in "Progressive Muslims" where >Scott > > Suraj Kugle talks
> about the place of sexual minorities in Islam. It gave >me > > a
> refreshing insight thereof. > > > > While I was at home with my mother
> Sunday, we listened to Kecia Ali, Omida > > Safi, Mr. Wolf, and Ms.
> Muhammad talk abo! ut change in Islam. We were > > talking about reform
> and! she'd s aid that when the common expectation > > becomes gender
> justice in Islam, the rest would fall in line. I seem to > > remember
> that being an expectation or hope from some of the other > > contributors
> in the book. > > > > I guess we have to ask our selves if we think it's a
> benefit to the > > spiritual welfare of the community and the parties
> involved to recognize > > same-sex relationships. Now, obviously as a
> civil law question I support > > ALL who wish to cement a commitment of
> mutual care in this civil > > institution simply as a matter of equality
> of legal application and >general > > social cohesion. Whereas, in a
> religious context, it's not so simple. > > > > I'd say if we agree that
> it's of benefit in our respective religious > > communities (considering
> that this is a new phenomenon/question w/which > > society is grappling
> in such a difficult and unique way), it seems the >nex! t > > step is to
> look to the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sharia, and other guides (heavy > >
> emphasis on the Qur'an itself if you ask me) in crossing this bridge that
> > > heretofore hasn't been trodden so much . . . though I'd recently seen
> a > > movie where in a part of North Africa, there had been a community
> of >miners > > circa early 20th century who were in the practice of
> marrying one another > > and it seemed pretty sincere and there may have
> been an element of > > religious sanctity employed. > > > > Certainly
> Feisal, Reformed Judaism and the Dutch Protestant Churches are > > also
> useful guides as is the history of same-sex unions in Catholicism and > >
> even cultures of the Asia and Africa in the past. > > > > But this is
> premised on the assumption that we agree that same-sex >marriage > > has
> some benefit to the Islamic community and the individuals involved. > > >
> > I ass! ume we won't sadly but I hope at least that in some of our &gt!
> ;communi ties > > we will begin to think more about what it means to
> restrict whole groups >of > > people from certain aspects of Islam. > > >
> > May Allah guide us in this and ALL questions that perplex us, > >
> Mudhillun > > > > > > > > > > --On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:17 PM
> +0800 Feisal Abdul Rahman > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Assalamu'alaikum to
> everyone, > > > > > > With all the heated debate in the US and elsewhere
> regarding same-sex > > > marriage, I'm curious to find out from members
> of this list as to >whether > > > there is, or if there can be, any room
> for sanctification of same-sex > > > unions in (progressive) Islam,
> similar to that of the Protestant Church > > > in the Netherlands or of
> Reform/Reconstructionist Judaism. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > >
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