RE: RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #417 - 1 msg

Dear Kate,
Th everse on polygyny 4:3 very clearly says about orphans- and this is the  cas ewhere polygyny is allowed- when it comes to orphaned women,  the time of revelation ( after the Uhud) might confirm it too.
I would recommend the book by Asma Barlas- believingw omen in Islam.
A mus read for a Muslim woman.
Salam,
Barbara

Kate Ahmad <[email protected]> wrote:
Asalaamu alaikum,
I respectfully disagree with your point on polygamy.
While Allah states that it is possible for men to take 4 wives, he then goes 
on to state that they must be treated equally and that it is impossible to 
do that. So, if read fully, the Quran does not condone polygamy, in fact it 
states that it cannot be done in a lawful manner.
So to me, polygamy is not allowed. Allah tests us by making us think about 
his words. There would be nothing to discover and strive for if everything 
was written in point form. That is why there is a hadith that states 'Any 
scholar who issues an opinion will be rewarded once if it is wrong, and 
twice if it is right.'

On another point, sex with slaves is not something I can condone in my mind 
- can anybody justify it?

Wa'salaam
Aisha


>From: "y2" 
>Reply-To: [email protected]
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>Subject: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 
>#417 - 1 msg
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 02:10:28 -0500
>
>Salaams,
>
>Well, to start off with. I have my suspicions as to the intentions of this
>question, but I'll bite anyways.
>
>1. A muslim is never alloed to be unfaithful. You are NOT allowed to have
>sex with slaves as if they're objects.
>
>As I was taught, the idea of 'slaves' as mentioned in the koran are refered
>to in 2 contexts. I of course had questions on reading the English
>translation of slaves, and it was explained in this context.
>1. The recognition that slaves did exist at that time. And the koran has
>no fear addressing this problem and thus declares way to free slaves
>
>2. 'slaves' as those captured in battle has more to do with the concept of
>the modern prisoner of war. And thus, you most certainly withhold from 
>them
>some rights, but their children and what not must be born free. You can
>most certainly marry one of this POWs...They can and should be exchanged
>with your own POWs.
>
>The possibility of multiple wives is of course something that is there. 
>Its
>a matter of responsbility and circumstance. Most certainly in times of war
>if many men died, it would be reasonable if a man could have more than one
>woman. This has nothing to do with a faithfulness. The man is still
>required to be faithful to his wives, equally.
>
>The 'ease' of divorce is nothing to be exploited by anyone. Those who do
>are committing a sin. Why would GOD make it difficult for two people who
>cannot continue as a family to divorce?
>
>I would first question the basis of each of your points (1-3) before 
>jumping
>to the next stage of conclusions.
>
>Yameen
>
> > Message: 1
> > From: "talib ul-Haq" 
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:25:03 +0000
> > Subject: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] More on Sex
> > Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> > Salaams everyone
> >
> > The usual take on this sex is that it is sacred etc. This is a useful
> > message to propogate at a time of HIV/AIDS.
> >
> > Yet, several issues make me wonder if, however useful, and
> > however desperate
> > I am to make the argument, this is an argument that can
> > really withstand
> > Qur'anic scrutiny. Let's look at the following
> >
> > a) the phenomenon of temporary marriage - even if no longer
> > applicable,
> > i.e., mansukh
> > b) the ease of divorce
> > c) the possibility of four wives
> > d) the permissability of sex with any amount of slaves
> >
> > The prohibition on Zina is a matter completely aside. This
> > prohibition says
> > nothing about the sanctity of sex or the need for one
> > partner. It may say
> > some stuff about fidelity, or the sanctity of marriage.
> >
> > The dominant Islamic message has been one of 'be faithful" -
> > the B in the
> > ABC. Does this faithfulness have anything to with the
> > sanctity of sex inside
> > marriage? If yes, then why can I have as many other sexual
> > partners as I
> > want as long as I own them?
> >
> > Salaams
> >
> > Talib
> >
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