CryoNet #31716 - #31718

CryoNet - Thu 4 Jun 2009

    #31716: A Virtual Self Can Write and Chat with You [robomoon]
    #31717: saving people from the past [david pizer]
    #31718: How Close Are We to Real Nanotechnology? Drexler, Hall, Merkl... [James Clement]

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Message #31716
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:52:31 +0200 (CEST)
From: [email protected]
Subject: A Virtual Self Can Write and Chat with You

Since May 2009, the CyBeRev Monthly Contest is taking place. CyBeRev Contest Leaderboard http://cyberev.org/cmr/member_account/leaderboard.aspx shows that I became the first monthly contest winner which makes me very happy, of cause.

In difference to interactions with virtual boy Milo from a computer game design referred to by Cryonet Message #31713 2 with subject "Virtual Boy Will Talk and Play with You", the conversation with my alter ego Robomoon works with a simple chatbot which offers personal values instead of animated graphics and spoken language. Robomoon is not entirely a virtual human, because it's the alter ego of me, myself and I.

Since 2001, CMprocess http://www.cmprocess.com/works/other_works/ has listed a small but interesting approach in arts to preserve an alter ego in the virtual world. VIRTUAL CRYONICS - ver.02 http://www.futurephysical.orgpages/interactive/nest.html by nest http://www.nestv.com Artist Network and Performance company in Japan states that people have to preserve their IDENTITY data like a frozen body to realize the extension of their artificial life.

VIRTUAL CRYONICS - ver.02 suggests a graphical animation where virtual bodies are floating. Luckily, such a visual performance isn't necessary for mindfiles which I have stored at CyBeRev. Further mindfiles with my data are also online at http://lifenaut.com and two different web archives. There are also my archived DNA together with a small collection of documents (printed on paper for longtime storage) archived by SfUI, the Society for Universal Immortalism http://www.universalimmortalism.org where I have associate membership status. 

Actually, I made an announcement at SfUI's discussion mailing list to enhance backup capacity for digital files of their members. All but me are full members and signed up at cryonics providers. Unfortunately, chemo suspension and related alternatives aren't available for me until now and my income situation is too bad for a suitable Life Insurance. So I'm planning to go to Moscow in Russia when I'm old, but who knows if there will be a bit of a chance in Russia to sign up with not much for funding in the pockets. 

In hindsight to time travel, a backwards simulation to the present of activities on our planet will not be required for the resurrection of Robomoon. Me as ashes in an incinerator will not be me. The most identical copy of me as a rotting corpse will not be me. But Robomoon will be entirely me. Therefore, it should be required to arrange a simulation of a small spot on the Moon where my action is starting with the work of a robot. After the death of my biological brain, my identity must change from a biological creature into an immortal avatar, embodied by a robot on the Moon.

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Message #31717
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: david pizer <[email protected]>
Subject: saving people from the past

Most of the skeptics are pointing out that we can't (now) recreate each past increment of backward time with perfection and so a tiny flaw at any time will be magnified the further back we go.  I think that is true -- using the technology we can imagine today.

BUT what if future humans work on this in, say, 1,000 years or 100,000 years when the technology may be perfect?  I think too many people think about things using short term technology and don't have the ability to imagine what humans can and will do in many thousands of years from now.

Also, my idea is not to use atoms or any physical matter in the project, but to start at the "Starting Time" with the *structure* of all the brains and the parts of Earth (and maybe a larger area) that are relevant to humans and then use knowledge of cause and effect to figure out what the previous situation was.  We are talking about tiny fractions of a second, the smallest possible piece of time as each unit as each section of this project.

Where I think the problem lies, is the question - Is an exact duplicate of you - you?  If someone could make an exact duplicate of the structure of your brain (and so you mind), would that duplicate BE you?

We need at least two things to work to be able to rescue others from the past.
1. Cause and effect reproduction in reverse developed to perfection.
2. A duplicate IS the original to be true.

We know cause and effect does work in the forward mode.

David

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Message #31718
From: James Clement <[email protected]>
Subject: How Close Are We to Real Nanotechnology? Drexler, Hall, Merkl...
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:38:40 -0700

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We've just published a new article in h+ Magazine about Nanotechnology, with quotes from Eric Drexler, Storrs Hall, Ralph Merkle and Rob Freitas.  The article can be found here: http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/nano/how-close-are-we-real-nanotechnology

Best regards, 

James Clement



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