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    #31799: Re: CryoNet #31795 - #31797 [MAGICGIL]
    #31800: Backup organization [RAMole]

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Message #31799
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:41:19 EDT
Subject: Re: CryoNet #31795 - #31797

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Thanks for all the years of information but I am giving up on cryonics. 
Please take me off your mailing list.  Thanks Gil Schaerer


In a message dated 7/6/2009 5:00:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

CryoNet  - Mon 6 Jul 2009

#31795: Assistance requested  [Ettinger]
#31796: D-Ribose [biologist501]

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Message  #31795
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:32:52  EDT
Subject: Assistance requested

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The  new edition of Youniverse is not going to be a big seller nor
accomplish  any wonders, but something is better than nothing, and it will
surely
help  a bit in recruiting new members for the cryonics organizations.
Readers
here can assist with very little effort and zero expense, maybe  save a
life.
Just disseminate the page below, or/and material of your  own  composition.
Adding favorable reviews on Amazon.com and  CN.com  (Barnes & Noble) would
also help, if you have read  it.


Please take a minute to notice that some respectable   people have been
impressed by Robert Ettinger's latest   book.
Appreciation for the first edition of Youniverse:
Professor Peter  Gouras, M.D., Ph.D., Columbia University:
"A classic  for anyone  trying to understand what this universe is all
about...and it has   many little things that add to the fun of reading it

Professor Emeritus  Henry R. Hirsch, Ph.D., University of Kentucky College
of Medicine:
aC  Youniverse is one of the most important  works of philosophy of this
and
the last century because it reveals the ideas  and convictions of  a
visionary
who foresees the possibility of a blindingly  bright  future for the human
race. The guidelines which he proposes are  notable  for their wisdom and
their good practical common sense. They  are accompanied by  many examples
of
applications which are useful and  sometimes  entertaining. In short, if one
were limited to reading a  single book on  philosophy, this would be the
bookaC
Psychiatrist  Jerry Lemler, M.D., former President of the  Alcor Life
Extension  Foundation: aC Once again it's Bob Ettinger with his latest  
work,
Youniverse, who leads us out of  Hamelin yet again. For all  vertebrate
creatures on
this particular planet, the  amygdala, (in the  limbic system), the
phylogenetically oldest part of the brain,  is the  organism's "smoke
detector" for
existential threats. The zebra on the   Serenghetti or a newborn human
infant
can merely react with the classic  fight or  flight response. As we acquire
language, however, what irony  it is that the  added menu item is the freeze
response. Youniverse  comes to the rescue of this  apparent paradox, as
Ettinger presents  the salient arguments that posit we  deploy our higher
cortical
functions to launch top-down rather than bottom-up   processing like our
less
fortunate evolutionary forebearers. "Plop. plop,  fizz,  fizz, oh what a
relief it is!"
A  free sample  (the  first 25 pages of the book) is available  at
Universal-Publishers.com. A  few minutes with this may interest you
further.
YouniverseaCa 'ew  Edition
The  recently published 2009  edition is now available from Amazon.com and
BN.com  (Barnes &  Noble). Paperback, 427 pages, 6aC  x 9aC , 12 point
font,
$29.95.  Three dollars off at BN for members. The new subtitle  is: Toward a
Self-Centered Philosophy of  Immortalism and  Cryonics.
It  is also available directly from the  publisher,
Universal-Publishers.com. Same  price as Amazon for hard  copy. A download
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Message  #31796
Subject: D-Ribose
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:39:22 -0400
From:  [email protected]

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D-Ribose  should probably be investigated as a constituent in
perfusion/reperfusion  solutions, if it has not already been considered, or is not
already in use.?  Hi, Bob.?I believe you probably should be taking it daily, if
you are not. It  it the backbone of ATP?and is eliminated from the cell (e.g.,
heart muscle  cells) with the decomposition of ADP to AMP when ADP to ATP
is impeded in the  mitochondria.? Very common phenomenon?in the elderly.

Excellent post on  betaine by oberon yesterday.? Thank you.

In my last post, months ago, I  mentioned "magnesium ornate" as being a
placebo (i.e., a useless?form of  magnesium supplementation); I meant to write
"magnesium  oxide."

Biologist501

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Message #31800
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 23:47:52 EDT
Subject: Backup organization

Hello all:
 
I have been thinking about threats to cryonics and how to combat them. One  
of the biggest threats would be a lawsuit in which a runaway jury 
sympathized  with a whacko complainant and awarded a sum so huge as to overwhelm  
insurance and bankrupt CI or Alcor. (Remember the jury that awarded a huge sum  
to the woman who was burned when she spilled McDonald's coffee in her lap. 
She  was 80 I think, and she was shocked, simply shocked, to discover that 
coffee was  hot. Juries can be crazy.)  So in spite of insurance a cryonics 
operation  can be bankrupted. If so, then if there were a backup organization 
to  rescue and restart the operation, it might save the day. Such an  
organization could be funded by contributions and do nothing but buy insurance  
against this contingency, to pay off only if a cryonics operation were sued 
and  bankrupted.
 
In that event the plaintiffs might claim everything, though there is a  
special fund in which the patient's money is kept (for maintenance of the  
"cemetery" I think) which would be untouchable. They also would not want the  
patients (which would mean they'd have to care for them, and subject  
*themselves* to lawsuits from all the families.) Nor should they want the  
cryostats, because how could they sell them, and what would they do with  the remains 
stored inside? They might want the building, though they'd have  the 
problem of getting the cryostats out.
 
All in all it would probably be possible to keep the building (perhaps with 
 some payment) and cryostats and bodies, and start a new organization. The  
claimants would get most of the bank accounts, of course. But a million  
dollars would probably be enough to restart, and a million of insurance  
shouldn't be too expensive, because this contingency is unlikely. The  premiums 
might be on the order of a couple of thousand dollars a year. The  rescue 
organization could probably be a tax-deductible charity.
 
Note that neither CI nor Alcor could do this themselves. They could have  
100 million in insurance and if the plaintiffs were awarded a billion 
dollars,  any and all insurance would go to them. But a completely separate  
organization could not be sued, so one million in insurance should be  enough.
 
What do you think? What do our lawyers and insurance experts think?
 
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