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    #31849: Re: Message #31843 Cryonic suspension paid for by health insu... [Dennis]
    #31850: Re: Cryonic suspension paid for by health insurance [John de Rivaz]
    #31851: RE: Oregon and Cryonic [Mathew Sullivan]

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Message #31849
From: Dennis <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message #31843 Cryonic suspension paid for by health insu...
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:46:23 -0400

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On the note of 'business' I'm promoting a group for cryonicists/life-extensionists :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tradecommunity/

The broad goals of this group is outlined here:

http://futureproject.110mb.com/trade.html

Dennis



Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:08:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Message #31843 Cryonic suspension paid for by health insu...
From: Jeff Davis <[email protected]>

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:00 AM, "Robert Newport" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Message #31843
> From:
> References: <[email protected]>
> Subject: #31841

> Hi everyone: I do hope that one day, our suspension might be insured by
health care insurers, (whichever system is the most enlightened public or
private) as it is only a matter of time that suspension will be accepted as
a medical technology, useful in preserving life.

I agree entirely. It would be the natural course of medical logic.
The natural extension of "Do no harm".

I believe this is feasible based on nothing more than the logic of
profit -- the logic of the superior business model. I further
recommend that cryonicists take the lead, as in, for example, Saul
Kent's successful nutritional supplement business. Establish a more
pro-active, which is to say more involved, medical insurance company.
Have as standard practice comprehensive monitoring (and compulsory
protocol for) all health-related activities -- diet, exercise,
stress generation/reduction, and negative health habits (smoking,
drinking, drug use, etc). Couple this to a central focus on
PREVENTION.



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Message #31850
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Cryonic suspension paid for by health insurance
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:30:14 +0100

Jeff Davis says

> I would very much like to see this matter discussed in detail.

Unfortunately to have any real benefit it would need to be discussed by people knowledgeable in law and politics, and there are no people within the cryonics movement qualified, and also willing, to give any meaningful ideas beyond a simple one liner "its not possible". People in "the authority business" simply are far too busy making money to give time to these sort of minority ideas.

It would take something quite exceptional to get authorities to take time to consider cryonics seriously. The arguments seem plain enough to us, because everyone on this list has taken the time, and indeed is taking the time by reading it. But to someone whose only contact is possibly via entertainment and fiction, and who refuses to give it any thought, cryonics seems ludicrous.

I recall that in 1957, the year of the Sputnik, the British Astronomer Royal said "space travel is bunk".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Spencer_Jones

 It took the exceptional circumstances of the politics surrounding Cold War to put a man on the moon 12 years later. Unfortunately a "cryonics race" never got started, despite the atheism of Communism and the fact that Lenin had been chemically preserved. Rattling the cage of the USSR via Radio Moscow produced a result that mirrored the authorities' opinion in the West. These broadcasts from the 1980s can be heard on
http://www.cryonics.org/media/media.htm

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Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more



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Message #31851
From: Mathew Sullivan <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:06:04 -0400
Subject: RE: Oregon and Cryonic

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I'm not familiar with the established protocol in Oregon, but if I was a
resident who was terminal, I would look into premortem cannulation.  Then
consume a healthy diet of vitamins and aspirin, prior to taking a bath
filled with ice and following through with the protocol.  If the rules don't
support such action, then look into amending the rules to help make them
more supportive our needs.
Premortem cooling is being used in medicine today in support of organ
donation, so that would be even better for cryonics patients if
arrangements could be made with the medical establishment.

Mathew



> Message #31842
> From: "Jordan Sparks" <[email protected]>
> References: <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: Oregon and Cryonics
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:07:08 -0700
>
> I think it could be used in the right circumstances.  The person would have
> to be terminal and follow the established protocol.  The cryonics would
> still come post-mortem just like any other case.
>
> Jordan Sparks
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> I have often wondered why the right to die laws in Oregon are not used in
> conjunction with Cryonic service providers to allow for pre-mortem (or at
> least timely) suspensions. Any comment on the viability of this from the
> list?
>
>

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