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    #31889: Re:  Life extentionists dying at 69 [RAMole]
    #31891: Human enhancement discussion on "Diane Rehm Show" [Mark Plus]

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Message #31889
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:41:53 EDT
Subject: Re:  Life extentionists dying at 69

If these statistics really hold up for larger numbers of people, they are a 
 strong argument *against* supplementation. Setting aside growth hormone 
and  brain cancer, it's still bad to die of cancer at age 69. At age 60, life  
expectancy is around 22 years, or 82. So 69 is very young. The lack of 
heart  disease is nothing to boast of if cancer kills you that early.
 
I hope these numbers prove to be skewed. 
 
All this shows the need for proper studies with single supplements and  
control groups.
 
Alan Mole
 
 
In a message dated 8/20/2009 3:01:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

CryoNet  - Thu 20 Aug 2009

#31887: Re: CryoNet #31884 - #31886  [ThomasCarter499]

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Message  #31887
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:11:50  EDT
Subject: Re: CryoNet #31884 - #31886

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Hi,  
I know of only 12 life extentionists who   have died or contracted some 
serious age related disease. 11 had cancer  with  nine dying of it, or 
complications related to it. One, Jim  Fixx, the jogger,  died of 
congenital heart 
disease at  age 52,  and was not known to have used supplements or a 
healthy 
diet.    
As of aC 09 the record  shows 11 cases of age related cancer,  and  no 
cases 
of another age related disease. The cancer deaths are  strangely grouped  
very 
closely to age 69. Three are deaths due to  brain cancer, and all three  
presumably took growth hormone. Mintz  claimed to, while South and 
Donaldson  
wrote an article and a book  praising its use. Saul Kent has apparently 
survived  a brian  tumor.  
Niether the 11 cancers vs no other age  related diseases  nor the four 
brain 
tumors can be conincidences.   
The  obvious conclusions are, growth  hormone causes brain cancer, and the  
supplemental, and life style regimens  developed in the aC~90aC s are  
greatly 
more efficous against vascular diseases than  cancers. On  these data alone 
the 
efficacy could be strongly negative on cancer   while being null on 
vascular 
disease, or null/negative on cancer while  being  positive on heart 
disease. 
No affect on both is statistically  very, let me say  very, very, unlikely. 
 

The literature as a  whole is conclusive  that life style and supplements 
protect against  vascular disease which would  rule out the former 
possibility.  

The take home message is to continue or  adopt the life  
style/supplementation regimens popular in the late 90aC s and look   for 
more modern interventions 
that protect against cancer. These would be  low  calorie diets featuring 
carrots, apples, cruciferous veggies,  and tomato juice  simmered for one 
hour 
with olive oil. Hi green tea  consumption or extracts for  women,  (very hi 
for men),  milk  thistle, vitamin K2,  turmeric or  curcumen, and fish  
oil. 
All of these have been strongly documented in medically   accepted 
literature 
except green tea and curcumen which are on the verge  of  being further 
documented if ongoing trials report  positively.   
Below is a complete list of all the  examples  I know of. Can anyone add to 
it? Public or private examples.  I  particulary seek falsifying examples i  
e 
age related vascular  diseases. It looks like the table may not come thru 
well.  Each entry  consists of the name, age of death if known, D or L for 
dead 
or   alive, the condition the have or died of, and the regimen the  
presumptuously  used.  
Thomas 
Name /age at death   Condition L/D        
Regimen               
Adelle Davis           70       D  bone can     Diet,   
supplements 
Allan Mintz             69      D  brain can     
growth  hormone 
Ben Hess                 L  neck can    
many  supplements 
Christopher Heward   ?     D esophageal can           Many  supplements 
FM-2030             70        D  pancreatic  can                ? 
James  South             62       D  brain can               growth 
hormone, many supplements 
Jim  Fixx                   52     D congential heart  disease   
Jogging 
Linus Pauling           93       D prostate can       vitamin 
C 
Mrs.  Pauling               76     D stomach can               vitamin 
C 
Nathan Pritkin         69      D  Leukemia/suicide   Diet, 
exercise 
Saul Kent    L brain tumor?           
Many supplements 
Thomas  Donaldson     61       D brain   can                     many  
supplements, growth   hormone



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Message #31891
From: Mark Plus <[email protected]>
Subject: Human enhancement discussion on "Diane Rehm Show"
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:43:46 -0700

"Bioethicist" Maxwell J. Mehlman plugs his book:

The Price of Perfection: Individualism and Society in the Era of Biomedical Enhancement

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