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CryoNet - Sun 23 Aug 2009

    #31897: Re: CryoNet #31892 - #31895 [ThomasCarter499]
    #31898: Re: Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000 Years [benbest]

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Message #31897
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:39:41 EDT
Subject: Re: CryoNet #31892 - #31895

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Hi Dr.  Robert 
Thx for the datum. If the  person used common methods of life extension, 
such as not smoking, weight  control, exercise, or heavy supplementation, I 
will add aC John DoeaC  to the list.  The aprox age at death would also be 
useful.  
There are quite a few  supplements that enhance the immune system, so the 
might contribut to death from  septic shock. Folic acid in particular is so 
necessary for both leukocyte and  microbial replication that withdrawal of it 
is a treatment for sepsis.   
Thomas
 
 
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#31892: Re: CryoNet #31888 - #31891  [ThomasCarter499]
#31894: RE: CryoNet #31888 - #31891 [Robert  Newport]
#31895: Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000  Years [Mathew Sullivan]

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Message  #31892
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:47:53  EDT
Subject: Re: CryoNet #31888 - #31891

Hi Alan,

Leaving out  the growth hormone/brain cancer connection and Linus Pauling's 
 
death  at 93, there are only four who died "early" from cancer. Missing 
from  
the  analysis is the size of the cohort to which they belong, as well  as 
its  median age.

The cohort is composed of all the people  public or private who would have  
come to my attention as people with  life extending life styles who died 
within  the past decade. If this  cohort numbers 300 with an average age of 
60,  
about thirty deaths  could be expected, with maybe eight cancer deaths. So  
the hazzard  ratio for cancer deaths would be .50  And only eight deaths   
would have been noticed where thirty would be expected. Since the size of  
the  
cohort is unknown no such analysis can be undertaken.

The  fact that the relative ratio of deaths due to cancer vs vascular   
disease is independent of the cohort size does allow an investigation into  
this  
issue. It should be close to one, but no vascular disease or  death has 
come  
to my attention. 

This situation allows an  hypothesis that the relative protection  from 
vascular disease is  much greater than from cancer. And I for one  am 
beginning 
to focus  my efforts more on prevention of cancer. 

Thomas 

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Message  #31894
From: "Robert Newport" <[email protected]>
References:  <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: CryoNet #31888  - #31891
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:29:03 -0700

Just one more data  point to add to this discussion, One "life extensionist"
whom I knew  personally, took HGH by injection for four years prior to his
death by  septic shock secondary to vascular consequences of diabetes. He 
had
no  evidence of brain or any other cancer. Dr. Robert 

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Message  #31895
From: Mathew Sullivan <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 21  Aug 2009 16:51:44 -0400
Subject: Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000  Years

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Human Lifespans Nearly  Constant for 2,000  Years:

http://www.livescience.com/health/090821-human-lifespans.html

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Message #31898
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:12:49 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000 Years

   The Skeptic who authored this essay is not
called a "Bad Science Columnist" for nothing.
He is a terrible scientist, a medical Luddite
and he confuses life expectancy with maximum
lifespan. Extending life expectancy without
extending maximum lifespan is called "squaring
the curve" -- and the curve has done a lot
of squaring in the last 2,000 years.

     Life expectancy for all ages has increased
considerably in the last 2,000 years, and even
in the last 50 years  as can be seen from historical
data collected by the US Bureau of Statistics:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

  In the hundred years from 1850 to 1950
there was indeed a dramatic reduction in
infant mortality compared to the increased
life expectancy for other ages. But from
1950 to 2004 life expectancy for a 40-year
old white person increased by seven years
(blacks slightly less) -- whereas life
expectancy for newborns increased less
than ten years during the same period.

   Modern medicine has not only benefited
infants, it has benefited everyone. Cars
and roads are much safer too -- the chances
of dying in an automobile accident in 1953
was four times greater per mile driven than
in 2003. Health consciousness has increased
as well. The prevalence of cigarette smoking
in the US dropped from 37.4% in 1970 to
25.5% in 1990:

http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/full/94/2/251?view=long&pmid=14759934

Only 26% of smokers live to age 80 ? in contrast
with 57% of nonsmokers [ADDICTION 97:15-28 (2002)].
Claims that there is nothing that can be done
to significantly increase life expectancy are false.

      -- Ben Best

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