CryoNet #32141 - #32143

CryoNet - Sat 7 Nov 2009

    #32141: Re: Cryonics and organ transplants [John de Rivaz]
    #32142: Re: Cryonics and organ transplants [Luke Parrish]
    #32143: Dentist speaks out against fluoride [Mathew Sullivan]

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Message #32141
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Cryonics and organ transplants
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:46:10 -0000

Thanks, Steve, for giving all the details of why cryonics and organ 
transplants cannot be combined.

I do however see the organ transplant industry as being the greatest 
opponent of cryonics compared to others that are often suggested. If you 
consider the facts, religion and cryonics are actually on the same side - 
cryonics doesn't offer infinite life, merely life of indefinite duration. 
Religion tells is followers to respect their own life and that of others, 
(although a few of its adherents seem to lose this point at times.) Law may 
seem hostile at times, but in fact it is totally neutral. It is just a 
system for gathering money and treats all "customers" alike as long as they 
can pay. The only difference between it and other businesses is the degree 
of cooercion involved.

But the transplant industry and cryonics are competing for the same 
resource. At the moment, cryonics is not a significant consumer of the 
transplant industry's resources. But if 30% of the population ever did 
decide to be cryopreserved, then it could be seen differently. I feel 
confident that this fear is behind utterances such as "hamburger to cow". 
They are propaganda, not logical arguments, to stop a war that the 
transplant industry would probably lose, ever starting.

Of course within decades rather than centuries harvesting organs for 
transplant will not be necessary or desireable. Instead they will be grown 
from the patients' own cells. Once this happens, cryonics will seem more 
credible and will lose its real opponent. But maybe it will seldom be 
necessary for those living at the time.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

Message #32140
Subject: Cryonics and organ transplants
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:49:01 -0500
From: [email protected]


OK, I don't usually jump in on these discussions, but I can see the 
enthusiasm building for what might sound like a reasonable idea.

Before you all waste many hours of your lives trying to persuade Alcor to 
donate the organs of neuropatients, let me dump some ice water reality on 
you. <del> 

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Message #32142
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:39:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Luke Parrish <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Cryonics and organ transplants

I'd just like to point out (from an idealist's standpoint) that if cryonics had become the world standard (or even just the civilized world's standard) back when it first came out, for preserving the clinically dead, these problems would long since have been solved and *nobody* would be suffering from a lack of organ donation.

So again, it is selfish of people not to sign up for and/or support cryonics. If the bulk of the population supported cryonics, donated organ availability would skyrocket because it would be economically justifiable to overcome these hurdles. The incredibly small size of the current cryonics "industry" is the root of the problem.

From a realist's standpoint, cryonics won't be a source of organ donation for many years, and cloned organs will most likely be available before that happens. The exception would be if cryonics suddenly catches on very popularly, in which case I expect it to be regularly performed directly in hospitals by specialists in vascular medicine.

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Message #32143
From: Mathew Sullivan <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:59:12 -0500
Subject: Dentist speaks out against fluoride

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEaYyfWJcdc


Mathew Sullivan

When you stand upon the truth, you can defend against many things that are
false.

http://www.mathewsullivan.com/

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