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CryoNet - Sat 20 Feb 2010

    #32400: Re: CryoNet #32398 [robomoon]
    #32401: "Organization battles to freeze local woman's head" [MARK PLUS]
    #32402: Re: uppity_cryonet_members [Luke Parrish]

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Message #32400
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:48:52 +0100 (CET)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32398
References: <[email protected]>

One market fundalism: various business corporations receive an anti-monopoly lawsuit, but the federal government itself still buys their products for a long time, because they depend on them. For e.g., there are public libraries supported by the government who are lending e-books which often require a platform of commercial software from a major seller already under regulation by an anti-monopoly lawsuit. In absence of cheap deals from price competition, this causes rather unfair conditions: various consumers get criminalized by copying/using/dealing such commercial software when its licenses are not being paid in line with the law. Various other computer users, including corporations like telecommunications providers, jump on the trust bandwagon which is eliminating competition, because g
 overnments require and favorize their products and services anyways.

In the cryonics movement itself, there's a sort of attitude which favors control over globalization. Have all the major cryonics organizations worked feverishly to translate their pages into twenty different languages by something better than a common translation software and another bunch of marginal resources? Are people discussing the usage of the word cryonaut over the word patient in international legal terms suitable for translations? Has the concept of a bigger cryonics facility in America more importance than sufficiently equipped cryonics facilities in five different continents, all of them together for less the price of funding? It's no shame to bring those questions into the actual debate.

David Stodolsky wrote in part:
> Only about 12% of the World's population are within the formal  
> economy. The rest are excluded from even considering suspension. The  
> current economic collapse, resulting from market fundamentalism, and  
> the resulting transformed expectations of consumers has also removed  
> large numbers of persons from potential membership in cryonics  
> organizations.


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Message #32401
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:57:50 -0700
Subject: "Organization battles to freeze local woman's head"
From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>

http://www.newsfirst5.com/news/organization-battles-to-freeze-local-womans-head/

Organization battles to freeze local woman's head

By Greg Boyce

Posted : Feb 18, 2010 5:15 PM
Updated: Feb 18, 2010 7:17 PM

An Arizona organization wants to remove, and freeze the head of an
elderly Colorado Springs woman who died last week, honoring an
agreement it had with the woman.  Mary Robbins, 71, of Colorado
Springs died on February 9, after a two-month battle with cancer.  Her
body remains in a local mortuary. According to her family, in 2006 she
had signed an agreement with a company called Alcor Life Extension
Foundation to have her body frozen.  According to the agreement Alcor
would get $50,000 from her estate. The freezing process is called
cryonics and as defined on the Alcor website is, "the science of using
ultra-cold temperature to preserve human life with the intent of
restoring good health when technology becomes available to do so."

According to daughter Darlene Robbins of Pueblo, her mother changed
her mind about the cryonic process a couple of days before her death.
She changed her will and removed Alcor as a beneficiary and removed
the necklace that Alcor clients wear.  But Robbins said the day after
her mother died, Alcor laid claim to the body. Since then an Alcor
representative, according to Robbins, has been packing her mother's
head in dry ice each day at the mortuary.  Robbins says she can't bear
the thought of her mother's head being removed and stored in Arizona.

The case will be heard in probate court in Colorado Springs Friday.
Family attorney Robert Scranton of Colorado Springs says the
proceeding is a status conference and will likely be brief. He does
not expect any testimony to be heard.

Alcor is represented by the law firm Holme Roberts and Owen, which has
offices in many states including Arizona and Colorado.  Our attempts
to reach the attorney in this case, as well as Alcor, were not
successful Thursday.

Alcor is a non-profit organization located in Scottsdale, Arizona.  It
was founded in 1972.

-- 
Mark Plus
Life is short: Freeze hard!

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Message #32402
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:23:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Luke Parrish <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: uppity_cryonet_members

From: "Warren Keevers" <[email protected]>

> I do "believe" cryonics is possible, I very much doubt it will
> happen in any of our lifetimes, I also doubt that any of the people
> you put on ice will ever be brought back.

The trouble is you are using a sci-fi definition of cryonics that
isn't what actual cryonicists use. Cryonics is when you preserve
someone in the unproven hopes that future technology can reverse
their condition. There's no debate about whether that's possible
because it's *by definition* what is already being done.

What you're trying to express is doubt that this will actually work
(which is understandable, but remember we *all* have doubts whether it
will work) and hope that eventually we will develop suspended
animation so this kind of cryonics won't be necessary. Sure, that's
great... we all hope a provably reversible kind of suspended animation
will become available in our lifetimes. It just hasn't happened yet,
and is a completely different topic from cryonics.

You aren't alone in confusing the definitions and what cryonicists are
actually talking about. Most people who dispute with cryonics don't
understand the idea completely either.

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