CryoNet #32550 - #32552

CryoNet - Fri 9 Apr 2010

    #32550: Re: Analogies & Thought Experiments [John de Rivaz]
    #32551: "In social dealings, being older is being wiser" [MARK PLUS]
    #32552: Reassembly based transportation [Luke Parrish]

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Message #32550
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Analogies & Thought Experiments
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:19:14 +0100

Transistors, tunnel diodes and other semiconductors depend on quantum 
effects. That doesn't make devices using them into quantum computers. I 
would regards arguments that brains rely on physics at the quantum level to 
make their actual computations are still very much open to debate.

Even if they do, that indicates that the universe supports such methods of 
data processing. Therefore such devices would be capable of deliberate, 
controlled, manufacture by some means or another.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

Message #32547
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
<del>
As I have posted here before, there is a theoretically sound argument,
now with some support, that quantum effects occur at nerve junctions.
<del>

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Message #32551
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:46:20 -0700
Subject: "In social dealings, being older is being wiser"
From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jcyFGwaE2xI4Z8JliK5XMLNJnd1AD9ET36LO1

-- 
Mark Plus
Life is short: Freeze hard!

"The man
Of virtuous soul commands not, nor obeys.
Power, like a desolating pestilence,
Pollutes whate'er it touches; and obedience,
Bane of all genius, virtue, freedom, truth,
Makes slaves of men, and of the human frame
A mechanized automaton."

Percy Bysshe Shelley, "Queen Mab"

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Message #32552
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:18:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Luke Parrish <[email protected]>
Subject: Reassembly based transportation

What made it make the most sense to me was when I
envisioned a dissasembly and reassembly mechanism taking
the form of a portal that I could stick my hand through
and pull it back seamlessly. Then the only remaining question
is whether I can safely stick my head through.

If I can stick part of my head through without losing any
perceptible consciousness, the gut-level objection to putting
my whole head or whole body through seems to diminish.
Only a very tiny fraction of "me" is ever not in existence or
in two places at a given time, and that fraction is not sentient
on its own.

Note that moving an animate being via atomic-precision
reassembly is a *much* more difficult technical proposition
from transporting a solid-state object (such as a cryopreserved
human) from one point to another, because maintaining
bloodflow and nerve impulses would complicate matters.
Furthermore, a solid state cryogenic object could be moved or
duplicated over a course of many hours or even years.


> I found Moravec's description rather distasteful, a one way transfer
> and no way to get back.  It might be acceptable if a person was near
> death.  That's unlikely because the technology needed for the transfer
> is more advanced than it would take to cure any kind of problem
> including age.

> There is no reason for such a drastic approach.  Advanced
> nanotechnology would allow a fully reversible uploading starting with
> "mere" neural interfaces.  I am not the only one who thinks this 
> way.

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