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    #32641: Re: #32640: ParaPundit... [robomoon]
    #32642: mystery regarding an ethanol extract [oberon]
    #32643: Religion & Cryonics [2Arcturus]

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Message #32641
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 16:45:08 +0200 (CEST)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: #32640: ParaPundit...

A billionaire is a highly intelligent and healthy person doing great work for a useful corporation while I am a sick, partially retarded, and nonworking bastard.

A billionaire spending much of his money on philanthropic reasons should never receive the burden of tax for this cause while I am - like a fat rat, never thinking about others - spending much of my money for nothing but my own food that should always remain taxed by default to compensate for my selfish greediness completely.

A billionaire is trying to make the best out of his health while I am growing even more retarded by aging. But if I could change my mind now what I cannot by default in any case, I wouldn't do anything else but trying to earn billions of Euros for a free nation, healthy corporation, and a secure reanimation trust, and I am so sorry, I am. What did I always had in mind when I was simply trying to become just a cheap millionaire?
>...
> Subject: ParaPundit: Gates And Buffett Quest Will Lower Investment Qua...
> From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>
> 
> This argument could also apply towards keeping cryonicists' wealth
> intact in reanimation trusts:
> 
> Gates And Buffett Quest Will Lower Investment Quality
> 
> http://www.parapundit.com/archives/007256.html
>...

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Message #32642
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: mystery regarding an ethanol extract

Izv Akad Nauk Ser Biol. 2003 Sep-Oct;(5):547-52.
[Chemical composition and cryoprotective activity of ethanol extract from winter caterpillars Aporia crataegi L.]
[Article in Russian]
Li NG, OsakovskiA  VL, Ivanova SS. Institute of Permafrost Biological Problems, Siberian Division, Russian Academy of Sciences, Leninskii pr. 41, Yakutsk, 677089 Russia.
Abstract
    Glycerol, alpha-carotene, and other yet unidentified compounds have been found in the ethanol extract from winter caterpillars of the black-veined white (Aporia crataegi L.). We have shown that the ethanol extract has a cryoprotective effect on human peripheral blood lymphocytes, and this activity is approximately three times higher than that of glycerol (particularly, in the case of repeated freezing), which is one of the best cryoprotectors.
PMID: 14735784

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Message #32643
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: 2Arcturus <[email protected]>
Subject: Religion & Cryonics

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I would disagree with an "expert" who was excerpted recently on this topic.
Belief in an afterlife antedates belief in a _happy_ afterlife.
Many of the most ancient religions saw the afterlife as a miserable existence - e.g., the Mesopotamian idea of the dead living underground, unhappy and thirsty for drink offerings, or the Greek idea of Hades, similar to the Christian idea of Hell, except that everyone, even heroes, went there. There is also the very ancient idea of ghosts as angry, resentful beings, which idea lives on in religions that would nominally deny such possibilities (such as Christianity) - witness the innumerable horror movies Hollywood puts out on the subject.
We also see distinctive beliefs about the afterlife such as reincarnation, which in Hinduism and Buddhism is reason for despair not rejoicing (samsara is the cycle of endless suffering & repeated re-dying).
So based on the history of religions, we can't see belief in an afterlife as wishful thinking, since much of the most ancient beliefs about it were anything but wishable!
Rather, I agree with the old idea that belief in afterlife was "protoscience", an early theory of what happened after you died, based on deep intuitions about human persons having nonphysical, indestructible, and eternal aspects.
I think this intuition is still widely prevalent, and is just one more reason why so few people are interested in cryonics. According to this intuition, cryonics would be unnecessary, and possibly involve even a kind of quandary (would the "spirit" stay in the cryopreserved body, or break free? Would the resuscitated cryopatient still have his soul, or would he be a soulless zombie?).
Death as total extinction is dismissed, I think, not just because it is unpalatable, but also because it seems improbable.
So cryonicist philosophers need to understand this widespread intuition about "spirits" and the afterlife, and understand why it is intuitive, and what the alternatives would be, and how to explain them to the general public.



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