CryoNet #32779 - #32781

CryoNet - Fri 20 Aug 2010

    #32779: Re: Chinese translation of "Prospect" [John de Rivaz]
    #32780: Re: Oberon's proposal to stimulate cryonics research  [David Stodolsky]
    #32781: The centralization of Cryonics near San Franscisco [Jonano]

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Message #32779
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Chinese translation of "Prospect"
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:30:47 +0100

Surely the publication of the Chinese translation of The Prospect of 
Immortality is the first step, which has just been taken. They may well be 
free media publicity surrounding it. If the Chinese government sees it as 
being an opportunity to provide an alternative to religion, then they may 
well provide funding to appropriate Chinese individuals and organisations to 
advance the concept.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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<del>
Potentially, this could mean an opening for cryonics. Administration of the 
Badger Survey in China would be a first step.


dss


David Stodolsky

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Message #32780
Subject: Re: Oberon's proposal to stimulate cryonics research 
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:46:21 +0200
References: <[email protected]>

On 19 Aug 2010, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:
> 
> 
> But there must be activities that only a tiny minority **want** to do, 
> however well publicised they are.

The question assumes that 'wants', termed 'preferences', in economic theory, are a given, that is, a starting point for analysis, choice, public policy, etc. However, Arrow's Theorem  showed that this leads to a paradox. Experimental evidence also shows that 'preferences' can change rapidly in a seemingly arbitrary way. For example, show a man a picture of an attractive woman and his preference for risk taking is dramatically increased. Unfortunately, none of these findings have led to a change in the economic theories and policies which are based upon this faulty assumption. This is one source of the economic and social instability we currently see in advanced capitalist economies.

Therefore, I stated:

> Understanding the cultural forces that make some of them into a majority activity is what needs to be done.

> 
> Social movement theory is the current rage in marketing and I have suggested we also consider it.

Cultural frameworks are what determine 'wants' and social movement theory is one way to explain how changes in society take place.

So, while cryonics has been successfully publicized, this has led to little change in sign ups. That requires a process of cultural change, which means a totally different approach.


dss

David Stodolsky
[email protected]  Skype: davidstodolsky

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Message #32781
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:15:00 +0200
Subject: The centralization of Cryonics near San Franscisco
From: Jonano <[email protected]>

Hi,

I believe we should follow the venture capitalism approach and move
Alcor and The Cryonics Institute toward San Franscisco in order to get
more investments.

Zyvex could follow us too.

However Since I am a man with great ideas but with no power, I cannot
achieve this.

But I believe centralization is a good idea for cryonics. Since ACS is
there too, we could make a good hub. And The Singularity University is
there too.

--Jon

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