CryoNet #33246 - #33250

CryoNet - Tue 18 Jan 2011

    #33246: AW: #33245 [Jens Rabis]
    #33247: Attrition and Cryonics [hrhirsch]
    #33248: Let's talk about life [=?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?=]
    #33249: Aubrey de Grey & Ben Best at Michigan SF Convention [Jolly]
    #33250: AW: CryoNet #33230 [Jens Rabis]

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Message #33246
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: AW: #33245
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:46:26 +0100

Hi cryonauts, hi Jon

I believe that the general reproach of professionals against cryonics is not
primarily the freezing process, but because we do not do it with living(!)
peoples.
Against our fears were sedative / drugs and possible professional
Anesthesia. 
If one asks himself the death watch, you can go to the cryonic institute,
one make a last party etc. - depending on the state of health. Then you fall
asleep .. in the circle of family and friends :-)
This has dignity, has a scientific sense and only little(!) logistical
effort and risks.
Perhaps then, more professionals have courage to help us and silent / secret
to breaking the law. Laws make man, no one is infallible.


***

ich glaube, dass der allgemeine Vorwurf von Fachleuten gegen Kryonik nicht
hauptsachlich der Gefrierprozess ist, sondern weil wir es nicht mit Lebenden
tun.  
Gegen unsere Angst waren Beruhigungsmittel/Drogen moglich und eine
professionelle Anasthesie. 
Wenn man sich selbst die Todesuhr stellt, kann man zum Kryonikinstitut
fahren, eine letzte Party o.a. machen - je nach Gesundheitszustand. Danach
schlaft man im Kreise der Familie und Freunde ein :-) Das hat Wurde, das hat
wissenschaftlichen Sinn und wenig logistischen Aufwand/Risiken. 
Vielleicht haben dann mehr Fachleute Mut uns zu helfen und schweigend /
heimlich gegen das Gesetz zu verstoBen. Gesetze machen Menschen, niemand ist
unfehlbar.

Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin


Message #33245
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:05:05 +0100
Subject: 2 standby is better than 1
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <[email protected]>

Hi

I think Alcor should offer 2 standby instead of 1.

1 should be planned before long ago before the real death.

If you know what I mean.

For example Alcor, for like 2000$ could go in my home go visit me, just to
make sure the standby will know where to go, where is the hospital, the
appartment, if you have the keys, the police number etc.. all those things.

Laughlin did that I think and I think it's a good idea. To make 2 standby,
one for testing, one for real. the testing would be offered as an option to
offer a safer, more rapid real action.

--Jon

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Message #33247
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:17:57 -0500
From: hrhirsch <[email protected]>
Subject: Attrition and Cryonics

Here is an old joke which explains the attrition among cryonics 
people: "If there were two cryonicists marooned on a desert island, 
there would be three service providers." Too many of us feel that we 
have all the answers.

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Message #33248
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:23:43 +0100
Subject: Let's talk about life
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <[email protected]>

I think Alcor should talk alot more on Life. Max More should give
talks about life.

How life is, how it is really like to be alive, to live..

LIFE ! :D

Life is so good dont you think ?

--Jon

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Message #33249
From: Jolly <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:12:50 -0500
Subject: Aubrey de Grey & Ben Best at Michigan SF Convention

 Message #33238
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:31:16 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Aubrey de Grey & Ben Best at Michigan SF Convention
>
> On the weekend of January 21-23 Aubrey de Grey
> will be the Science Guest of Honor at the
> ConFusion science fiction convention held
> in the Detroit suburb of Troy, Michgan.
>
> http://cf2011.stilyagi.org/content/science-goh-aubrey-de-grey

Wow, this conference looks really interesting.  Is anyone else
planning on attending?

-Jolly

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Message #33250
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: AW: CryoNet #33230
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:00:11 +0100

Hi Cryonauts, hi Perry

I do not understand much of what you write, but I understand the boredom
problem very well.
The boredom problem had " Gunther von Hagens of http://www.koerperwelten.com
" also with European employees. He therefore asked for monotone and filigree
work .... Asians. They have a different mentality. I say this not
derogatory: Most Asians are more flexible than a robot, but so stoic. We
should use it for our purposes. In the U.S. there are a lot of Asians.  

****

ich verstehe nicht viel von dem was Du schreibst, aber ich verstehe das
Langweileproblem sehr gut.
Das Langeweileproblem hatte " Gunther von Hagens von
http://www.koerperwelten.com " auch mit europaischen Mitarbeitern. Daher
beauftragte er fur monotone und filigrane Arbeiten .... Asiaten. Die haben
eine andere Mentalitat. Das meine ich nicht abwertet: Meist sind Asiaten
flexibler als ein Roboter, aber so stoisch. Das sollten wir fur unsere
Zwecke nutzen. In den USA gibt es viele Asiaten. 


Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin
" The time is with us, we can ... more!  "




Message  #33230
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:51:49 -0500
From: "Perry E. Metzger"  <[email protected]>
Subject: Glass vs. Crystal  transitions
References:  <[email protected]>

Of course, the catch is, that you must do 
this thousands and  thousands of times to build a picture of how different 
solutions behave under  different regimens of cooling and re-warming. It is 
boring, repetitive  and truly dull  work.>>

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