CryoNet #33251 - #33254

CryoNet - Wed 19 Jan 2011

    #33251: AW: CryoNet #33248 [Jens Rabis]
    #33252: Re: Aubrey de Grey & Ben Best at Michigan SF Convention [benbest]
    #33253: Why 2x poor? [Jens Rabis]
    #33254: a small aside on automated data collection... [Perry E. Metzger]

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Message #33251
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: AW: CryoNet #33248
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:55:45 +0100

Hi Cryonauts, Hi Jon


good idea. Life is for my ... curiosity :-)

http://view.stern.de/de/picture/447827/Lanzarote-Neugierig-Feuerberge-Lanzar
ote_Neugierige-am-Erdgrill-Braun-510x510.jpg


*****

Gute Idee. Leben ist fur mich ... Neugierde :-)

http://view.stern.de/de/picture/447827/Lanzarote-Neugierig-Feuerberge-Lanzar
ote_Neugierige-am-Erdgrill-Braun-510x510.jpg



Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin
" The time is with us, we can ... more! Life is for my curiosity :-) "



Message #33248
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:23:43 +0100
Subject: Let's talk about life
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <[email protected]>

I think Alcor should talk alot more on Life. Max More should give talks
about life.

How life is, how it is really like to be alive, to live..

LIFE ! :D

Life is so good dont you think ?

--Jon

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Message #33252
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:47:25 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Aubrey de Grey & Ben Best at Michigan SF Convention
References: <[email protected]>

Quoting Jolly <[email protected]>:

>> On the weekend of January 21-23 Aubrey de Grey
>> will be the Science Guest of Honor at the
>> ConFusion science fiction convention held
>> in the Detroit suburb of Troy, Michgan.
>>
>> http://cf2011.stilyagi.org/content/science-goh-aubrey-de-grey
>
> Wow, this conference looks really interesting.  Is anyone else
> planning on attending?

   There should be hundreds of people attending, Jolly,
as there were last year. I am expecting at least four
cryonicists, but I posted the message to encourage
others (and "fellow travellers") to attend as well.
This would be a typical science fiction convention
except for the fact that the person in charge of
science programming has invited Dr. de Grey as
Science Guest of honor, and has scheduled many
events related to life extension, cryonics,
transhumanism/singularity, etc.

http://cf2011.stilyagi.org/content/panels-events-1

http://cf2011.stilyagi.org/content/registration-0

http://cf2011.stilyagi.org/content/hotel-0

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=33238

     -- Ben Best

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Message #33253
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Why 2x poor?
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:48:58 +0100

Hi cryonauts,

why I got to the comment http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33246
2x Poor? 1x does not worry me ... 2x makes me uneasy. 2x good also ... haha
:-D
You can still do such a perfect freeze, do with a dead man there are only
philosophical sense? Only quite if it must be transported over long
distances.
Of course you can change laws, I believe however in no short term change in
our ponderous democracies. Since each can only hope to find some personal
solution.

****

Warum bekam ich auf den Kommentar
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=33246 2x Poor? 1x beunruhigt
mich nicht ... 2x macht mich schon unruhig. 2x good auch... haha :-D
Ihr konnt noch so eine perfekte Einfrierung machen, mit einem Toten macht es
nur noch philosophisch Sinn!? Erst recht wenn er uber lange Strecken
transportiert werden muss.
Naturlich kann man Gesetze andern, daran glaube ich aber nicht kurzfristig
in unseren Demokratien. Da kann nur jeder hoffen, irgendeine personliche
Losung zu finden.


Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin
" The time is with us, we can ... more! Life is for my ... curiosity :-) "





Message #33246
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: AW: #33245
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:46:26 +0100

Hi cryonauts, hi Jon

I believe that the general reproach of professionals against cryonics is not
primarily the freezing process, but because we do not do it with living(!)
peoples.
Against our fears were sedative / drugs and possible professional
Anesthesia. 
If one asks himself the death watch, you can go to the cryonic institute,
one make a last party etc. - depending on the state of health. Then you fall
asleep .. in the circle of family and friends :-) This has dignity, has a
scientific sense and only little(!) logistical effort and risks.
Perhaps then, more professionals have courage to help us and silent / secret
to breaking the law. Laws make man, no one is infallible.


***

ich glaube, dass der allgemeine Vorwurf von Fachleuten gegen Kryonik nicht
hauptsachlich der Gefrierprozess ist, sondern weil wir es nicht mit Lebenden
tun.  
Gegen unsere Angst waren Beruhigungsmittel/Drogen moglich und eine
professionelle Anasthesie. 
Wenn man sich selbst die Todesuhr stellt, kann man zum Kryonikinstitut
fahren, eine letzte Party o.a. machen - je nach Gesundheitszustand. Danach
schlaft man im Kreise der Familie und Freunde ein :-) Das hat Wurde, das hat
wissenschaftlichen Sinn und wenig logistischen Aufwand/Risiken. 
Vielleicht haben dann mehr Fachleute Mut uns zu helfen und schweigend /
heimlich gegen das Gesetz zu verstoBen. Gesetze machen Menschen, niemand ist
unfehlbar.

Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin


Message #33245
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:05:05 +0100
Subject: 2 standby is better than 1
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <[email protected]>

Hi

I think Alcor should offer 2 standby instead of 1.

1 should be planned before long ago before the real death.

If you know what I mean.

For example Alcor, for like 2000$ could go in my home go visit me, just to
make sure the standby will know where to go, where is the hospital, the
appartment, if you have the keys, the police number etc.. all those things.

Laughlin did that I think and I think it's a good idea. To make 2 standby,
one for testing, one for real. the testing would be offered as an option to
offer a safer, more rapid real action.

--Jon

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Message #33254
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:02:09 -0500
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <[email protected]>
Subject: a small aside on automated data collection...
References: <[email protected]>

A small aside...

Mike Darwin writes:
> MD: I'll leave this question to Brian, because he can discourse at
> length on the magic that is differential scanning calorimetery
> (DSC). DSC can detect  the minutest of phase changes in a sample,
> and if your numbers all sum out  right, then you can be pretty sure
> "what's what" after cooling to any given  temperature. I was still
> at 21CM when Brian began this work, and it was horrible  - the kind
> of thing that would drive me barking mad. Basically you crimp a
> tiny  volume of solution 'just so' into sealed metal pans, and put
> them in the device  and cool them. Of course, the catch is, that
> you must do this thousands and  thousands of times to build a
> picture of how different solutions behave under  different regimens
> of cooling and re-warming. It is boring, repetitive  and truly
> dull  work.>>

These days, this is what one builds small robots to do. (That is what
has made much of recent science possible. No one could handle the
precision and boredom associated with many modern data collection
tasks -- automation is why they are possible at all. Luckily,
technology to do things like that has gotten dirt cheap in the last
decade or so.)

Perry

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