CryoNet #33328 - #33331

CryoNet - Mon 14 Feb 2011

    #33328: Cosmism / Kosmismus [Jens Rabis]
    #33329: Re: CEO trivia [David Stodolsky]
    #33330: "Acceleration" rumination [Ettinger]
    #33331: Ethics and Credibility in Cryonics [Finance Department]

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Message #33328
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Cosmism / Kosmismus
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:05:03 +0100

Hi Cryonauts,

... topic Cosmism. Quote: "The Russian Cosmism views people as part of the
totality of the cosmic spirit of being a school with roots in ancient
Russia.." End of quote. 
German Source:
http://www.rosenkreuzer-bremen.de/veranstaltungen/russischer-kosmismus-vortr
ag-in-bremen-174.html
Evidence that there was an alien civilization on Earth?

1. Voynich manuscript
http://www.google.de/webhp?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&tl=de&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa
=N&tab=Tn#hl=de&ds=n&xhr=t&q=Voynich+manuscript&cp=18&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab
=nw&fp=4d161543c95b445f


2. Piri reis map
http://www.google.de/webhp?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&tl=de&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa
=N&tab=Tn#hl=de&xhr=t&q=Piri+reis+map&cp=11&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&
oq=Piri+reis+m&pbx=1&fp=4d161543c95b445f


Who knows more examples? You want to stimulate interest in space? Without
arms race? Then you make people curious!


**************

Mal zum Thema Kosmismus. Zitat: " Der Russische Kosmismus betrachtet den
Menschen als Bestandteil der Gesamtheit des kosmischen Seins.  Eine
Geistesschule mit Wurzeln im alten Russland." Zitat Ende. 
Quelle:
http://www.rosenkreuzer-bremen.de/veranstaltungen/russischer-kosmismus-vortr
ag-in-bremen-174.html

Indizien, dass schon einmal eine auBerirdische Hochkultur auf der Erde war?
1. Voynich Manuskript
http://www.google.de/webhp?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&tl=de&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa
=N&tab=Tn#sclient=psy&hl=de&q=Voynich+Manuskript&aq=0&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&
fp=4d161543c95b445f

2.  Piri reis Karte
http://www.google.de/webhp?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&tl=de&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa
=N&tab=Tn#hl=de&xhr=t&q=Piri+reis+Karte&cp=11&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql
=&oq=Piri+reis+K&pbx=1&fp=4d161543c95b445f

Wer von Euch kennt noch mehr Beispiele? Wer Interesse fur den Weltraum -
ohne die Politik des Wettrustens - schaffen will, muss Menschen neugierig
machen!

Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin
" The time is with us, we can ... more! Life is for my ... curiosity :-) "

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Message #33329
Subject: Re: CEO trivia
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:50:36 +0100
References: <[email protected]>

On 13 Feb 2011, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:

> I have to wonder why
> trivia tend to dominate CryoNet, day after day, month after month, and
> year after year.

First, the failure to moderate. Next, the installation of a rating system that I predicted would not function, based upon elementary behavioral principles. Finally, an update that has stalled. 

Unfortunately, the failure of the Movement's public information / marketing strategy is widespread and has had many negative consequences. The most recent was the long delay in suspension of CI's 102nd case. This appears to have been due to the person not making it known that they had a contract for fear of negative reactions. 

The failure to address the problem appears to be a result of the continuing belief among the Movement's leaders that technical improvements in suspension technology will resolve all public perception problems, contrary to the overwhelming evidence that this is not true. A compounding factor is the view among some of these leaders that social science is 'obvious' and professional treatment of this issue is not necessary. A contributing factor is the continuing failure to create an industry association that would have the monitoring and influencing of public opinion as a primary task. 


dss

David Stodolsky
[email protected]  Skype: davidstodolsky

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Message #33330
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:10:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: "Acceleration" rumination

A while back I said I would review Dr. Ronald Havelock's book,  
ACCELERATION: THE FORCES DRIVING HUMAN PROGRESS. I'm not ready for a  full-fledged 
review, but some thoughts may be in order.
 
The author tries to do many things, with varying degrees of success as I  
see it. 
 
First, he tries to show that, by and large, life has gotten better for most 
 humans in recent millennia and centuries and decades. Well, some would 
point out  that "civilization" (roughly corresponding to agriculture around ten 
thousand  years ago) brought more human misery than all previous cultures. 
But of course  if you look at America over a couple of centuries, you see 
wonderful progress.  Life expectancy is much longer and "want" as it was known 
in other times and  places almost non-existent. 
 
A couple of centuries ago the typical American lived on a farm, got water  
with a hand pump  from a well and had an out-house (rain or shine, summer  
or winter) for a toilet. To be poor generally meant to be thin and hungry and 
 lacking comfortable accomodations. Today in America poor people tend to be 
 fatter than rich people, and even the poorest usually have indoor 
plumbing,  central heating, and color television. There are safety nets all around. 
Whether  they are happier or complain more is  another story, but by almost 
any  measure in this country or Europe life has become safer and easier.
 
Whether Dr. Havelock's book can be deemed a "success" depends on what you  
demand of it. If you want information and entertainment, there is plenty. If 
you  want some kind of sociological theory that will permit verifiable  
quantitative predictions, I don't see that. But I haven't finished it, and this 
 isn't necessarily the last word. 
 
Robert Ettinger 

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Message #33331
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:18:48 -0600
Subject: Ethics and Credibility in Cryonics
From: Finance Department <[email protected]>

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Charles Platt wrongly attempts to trivialize my insistence that Alcor follow
their own bylaws in having a President who is clearly labelled as such.
David Stodolsky follows up on that as a premise to a set of other issues,
most of which I would support, but not because of the mistaken premise.

Ethics and credibility start at home.  Those who think it is important for
cryonics to gain popular acceptance should wake up and understand that John
Q Public is never going to take seriously a non-profit organization that has
a CEO while its bylaws demand a President. (Trivial or symbolic or whatever,
there are, of course, more important issues, such as said organization
claiming to have "members" when its alleged "members" have no rights that
"members" of something normally have, such as to vote for who is on their
executive board, which in the past has occasionally thought it OK to suspend
the funding requirements normally imposed on a "member" if celebrity status
is involved.)

And I'm not picking on Max here - as Charles mentioned, this goes all the
way back to Jerry Lemler.  Why have all of these people who were actually
the President of Alcor, insisted on being called CEO in the first place?  I
have speculated that it might have something to do with Alcor's Board, but
am starting to favor the idea that perhaps "CEO" might look better on a
former Alcor President's resume than "President" would in today's business
world.  The real reason would be interesting to know.

Finally, there is the aura of leadership and responsibility that seems to go
with the job title "President", that is less evident in a CEO who is merely
running the company.  Alcor could sure use some of that.  Perhaps Max will
step up to the plate and answer the 2nd question in my last CryoNet post.

Cheers,

FD

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