CryoNet #33477 - #33481

CryoNet - Tue 15 Mar 2011

    #33477: Please don't kill CryoNet [Eivind Berge]
    #33478: New Cryonet Yahoo Group formed [John de Rivaz]
    #33479: Re: CryoNet to Enter Stasis March 17, 2011 [Keith Henson]
    #33480: Re: CryoNet stasis [Stephen Bridge]
    #33481: Behind the scenes suppression of free speech? [Finance Department]

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Message #33477
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:11:36 +0100
Subject: Please don't kill CryoNet
From: Eivind Berge <[email protected]>

Kevin Q. Brown announced in Message #33476 that CryoNet will end on
March 17, 2011. I want to say this is a very sad decision and I exhort
him to change his mind. Since 1996, CryoNet has been a daily fixture
in my life, and no other cryonics forum comes close for news and
discussion on the topic. In my opinion, the quality of postings is
almost as good now as when I first joined. Yes, there is also garbage,
but not the "zombie hordes" of trolls and spammers that would justify
shutting the whole thing down. I think the rating system works pretty
well, too, though it has been abused on occasion. Indeed everything
works surprisingly well, given how open it is. And the cryonics
community needs a place for us to come together openly.

The beauty of CryoNet is its simplicity. No creeping featurism here,
which has degraded so many services. Just plain text by email which
also remains immutably in the archives, easily referenced. CryoNet
does not need a major reboot, in my opinion, and it certainly does not
deserve to die. Just leave it alone, please.

Eivind Berge

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Message #33478
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
Subject: New Cryonet Yahoo Group formed
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:58:16 -0000

I have formed a Yahoo Group called New Cryonet. Those who are disappointed with the closure of the CryoNet mailing list can use this. Abusive posters, spammers etc., will be put on moderation, but otherwise anyone is free to join and anyone may post.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/New_Cryonet

To start with I will be "dictator", but if the group attracts a lot of members and is popular, then there can be other moderators. Hopefully everyone will behave and there will be no need for anyone to be "on moderation" :-)

The advantage of Yahoo Groups is that people can use them on the web or as an email list. If you don't want lots of individual emails, you can set your membership to "digest" and it will work exactly like CryoNet.  

You can post your message by sending to
[email protected]

It is best to join the group via the web, but you can also subscribe by sending an email to
[email protected]

If someone else forms another email list that is more popular, then this one could be closed down to avoid fragmentation. There are, of course, already web based forums, but you have to go to the web page every time to view them which some people prefer not to have to do. You can, in fact use "New CryoNet" like a web list if you really wanted to, by setting your membership to "no email" and just reading on the web.

--
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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Message #33479
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:01:24 -0700
Subject: Re: CryoNet to Enter Stasis March 17, 2011
From: Keith Henson <[email protected]>

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:00 AM, "Kevin Q. Brown" <[email protected]>

snip

> After the March 17, 2011 digest mailing, no more new messages
> will be posted, although the archives still will be accessible
> as a historical record.

Sigh.  It's your mailing list.

> Fortunately, unlike 1988, cryonics and related topics now
> are covered very well in many other places on the Internet.
> Please visit and nourish them. And avoid the zombie hordes.

What do you recommend?

I have no idea of what is out there that's any good.  The ones I have
looked at I have not liked at all.

Best wishes,

Keith

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Message #33480
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CryoNet stasis
From: Stephen Bridge <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:03:54 -0400 (EDT)

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Kevin, 22 years of anything is good.  22 years of dealing with a contentious bunch of cryonicists is bravery beyond the strength of most people.  I admire you for starting CryoNet and for putting up with everyone for this long.  You've done us all more good than you'll ever be thanked for.  Thank you.  Your break is well-earned.  

Steve Bridge









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Message #33481
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:51:56 -0500
Subject: Behind the scenes suppression of free speech?
From: Finance Department <[email protected]>

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I find it curious that within weeks of the Cold Filter owner beginning to
moderate so heavily that entire posts from some veteran members are deleted,
causing some such to cease bothering to post there and the forum to become a
bowl of infrequent pablum messages, now the CryoNet owner is also
mysteriously moved to put his forum into "stasis".

And what are we offered so far as a replacement?  An advertisement-laden
Yahoo Group where dictatorial moderation is promised (Definition of
moderation:  The censorship of material the dictator or a clique of same,
personally disagrees with).

It almost makes one wonder who is behind this recent disabling of what once
were free speech vehicles for cryonics and related discussion.  And what the
incentives or disincentives were for complying with the orders for shutdown
or heavy moderation.

And now Stephen Bridge, Alcor's emergency Spin Doctor, who rarely is allowed
by his work and family to post at all, has emerged as well, in defense of
CryoNet going away.

Oh OK, given the possibility there was no such outside influence, then the
blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the forum owners, acting
irresponsibly to deter/disallow free speech.  I, though, smell a rat in the
background.

And I respectfully request Kevin Brown the CN owner, if he carries out his
death (stasis) threat, to reanimate the forum thereafter as soon as
possible, after a brief period of personal reflection on the implications of
his action of removing the only remaining free speech vehicle for cryonics
discussion from the internet.

Not so cheerful,

FD

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