Re: Adaptations and borrowing..

Jeri- glad to hear I am not alone in my non-worship of the Oz books!

That is pretty much what reader response theory says- all kinds of things
that readers see, and different readers see differently, that the author
never intended. Each individual is going to have a different response to a
given piece of text regardless of what the author thought she was writing.

Long ago and far away (sorry) somebody wrote a short story in which the
protagonist, via time travel, brought Will Shakespeare to modern times.
Will, and the author, attended some college level lectures on Shakespeare's
plays. Will's reaction was along the lines of "What the hell? I never said
that!"

charley

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jeri Zulli <[email protected]> wrote:

> You do mean people see all kinds of things that the author may or may not
> have *intended*, right?  Just because the author (claims s/he) doesn't
> see it or didn't mean it does NOT mean it isn't there, after all.  (I don't
> know this particular text; I just know that there are all kinds of things
> in texts that authors don't intend.)
>
> And I completely share your non-love of the Oz books!  So there are two of
> us, after all!
>
> Jeri Zulli
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> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:16:46 -0600
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [SF-LIT] Adaptations and borrowing..
> To: [email protected]
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> I missed that bit in *Mainspring. *Probably because that unlike the rest
> of the population of the world I am not particularly a fan of the Oz
> stories. Lake's work is outstanding.
>
> A friend of mine writes nautical fiction. He describes, in one book, the
> process of careening a ship. That is beaching it, rolling it on its side,
> and clearing the bottom of marine growth that impedes progress. A book
> reviewer wrote quite a lyrical passage about how erotic the whole thing
> seemed. Jim's (the author) reaction was, ahh, unprintable, but basically
> "what the hell?" *People see all kinds of things in text that may, or may
> not, be there*. Reader response theory at work.
>
> charley
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:20 AM, Cahill, Colleen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I wonder if the Fafhrd and Gray Mouser are an archtype and that’s why they
> keep coming to mind in other stories. Kind of a buddy book: a pair with
> complementary skills who go seeking adventure or treasure.  This is not
> quite the same as the “Group of companions”, but that is as close as I can
> come.
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> I noticed a similar effect of accidental literary reference in Jay Lake’s
> *Mainspring*, when his young female protagonist teams up with a metal man
> to go on a journey.  My mind was playing “Follow the Yellow Brick Road”,
> but Jay did tell me he had not intentionally tried for Oz reference.  My
> suspicion is there is plenty of this in books, which a reader might believe
> was put there on purpose.
>
>
>
> Colleen
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> Colleen Cahill
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> *From:* Charley Seavey [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:38 AM
> *To:* Science Fiction and Fantasy Listserv; Cahill, Colleen
> *Subject:* Re: [SF-LIT] Adaptations and borrowing..
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> One of S.M. Stirling's earlier  books and some overtones of Faf and the
> Mouser! I cannot for the life of me remember the title.
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> charley
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> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Cahill, Colleen <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Mike,
>    I just finished reading "The Godstone of Venus" in the Old Venus
> anthology and felt a hint of Leiber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser.  Was that
> intentional or just me?  Really a great story!
>
> Colleen
> Colleen Cahill
> [email protected]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Resnick [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:03 PM
> To: Science Fiction and Fantasy Listserv; Cahill, Colleen
> Subject: Re: [SF-LIT] Adaptations and borrowing..
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> On Tue, March 10, 2015 6:25 am, Colleen Cahill wrote:
> > Charley,
> >    The first two authors who jumped to my mind are Matthew Hughes
> > (http://www.matthewhughes.org/) and Chris Dolley (chris-dolley.com),
> > both of whom have written science fiction homages to P.D. Wodehouse's
> > Bertie and Jeeve's stories. They both captured the good hearted humor
> > of the original works and are quite a bit of fun.
> >
> >   This is just the tip of the ice burg, as I am sure most authors have
> > some literary influence.
> >
> > Colleen
> > Colleen Cahill
> > [email protected]
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> I think we all have influences to greater or lesser extents. My "Harry the
> Book" stories are a homage to Damon Runyon, THE SOUL EATER was my answer to
> MOBY-DICK, "Mrs. Vamberry Takes a Trip" was a homage to Thorne Smith, etc.
>
> -- Mike Resnick
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> Charley
> Desert Sailor
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> --
> Charley
> Desert Sailor
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Charley
Desert Sailor