About language

Charley Seavey <[email protected]> Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:50:25 -0500
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I realize this is more about fantasy literature than SF, but you lot are
the gang I know.

Both fantasy and SF have to create, and maintain, credibly consistent
universes, within certain boundaries. Part of that, it seems to me, is
avoiding anachronisms, or linguistic tags to a certain time, or place. An
Americanism like "No Way!" or other contemporary word structures, are out
of place in times or places other than the here and now.

I get *seriously* irritated by the use of the word "okay" in created
universes where it is simply out of place. The most egregious example is
the movie *Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters. *And yes, it has a lot of
other foolishness in it, but it is a fantasy. But the consistent use of
okay- a 19th century Americanism- is wildly out of place in a medieval
central European setting.

I am currently reading an otherwise excellent fantasy novel- multi layered,
interesting characters, pretty clearly not on this earth, and I have no
idea how it it is going to end- low on the predictability scale, which is
always a good thing. I'm maybe a fourth of the way into the book, and twice
already the word okay has been used. To me this is just sloppy writing.

Or, maybe I'm just an old grouch on the topic.

Any thoughts?

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Charley
Desert Sailor

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nsistent universes, within certain boundaries. Part of that, it seems to me=
, is avoiding anachronisms, or linguistic tags to a certain time, or place.=
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ow on the predictability scale, which is always a good thing. I&#39;m maybe=
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