Re: About language

Don DAmmassa <[email protected]> Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:21:42 -0500
Newsgroups gmane.culture.sf.literature
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They wouldn=E2=80=99t be speaking English at all. It=E2=80=99s being transl=
ated for us, and it=E2=80=99s perfectly all right to use slang or idiomatic=
 phrases because they would probably be doing the same in whatever language=
 they do speak.


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From: Charley Seavey
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: About language

I realize this is more about fantasy literature than SF, but you lot are th=
e gang I know.

Both fantasy and SF have to create, and maintain, credibly consistent unive=
rses, within certain boundaries. Part of that, it seems to me, is avoiding =
anachronisms, or linguistic tags to a certain time, or place. An Americanis=
m like "No Way!" or other contemporary word structures, are out of place in=
 times or places other than the here and now.

I get seriously=C2=A0irritated by the use of the word "okay" in created uni=
verses where it is simply out of place. The most egregious example is the m=
ovie Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters. And yes, it has a lot of other fooli=
shness in it, but it is a fantasy. But the consistent use of okay- a 19th c=
entury Americanism- is wildly out of place in a medieval central European s=
etting.=C2=A0

I am currently reading an otherwise excellent fantasy novel- multi layered,=
 interesting characters, pretty clearly not on this earth, and I have no id=
ea how it it is going to end- low on the predictability scale, which is alw=
ays a good thing. I'm maybe a fourth of the way into the book, and twice al=
ready the word okay has been used. To me this is just sloppy writing.

Or, maybe I'm just an old grouch on the topic.

Any thoughts?

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Charley
Desert Sailor


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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>They wouldn=E2=80=99t be speaking En=
glish at all. It=E2=80=99s being translated for us, and it=E2=80=99s perfec=
tly all right to use slang or idiomatic phrases because they would probably=
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mal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
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der:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
">Charley Seavey</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:56 AM<br><b>T=
o: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</=
a><br><b>Subject: </b>About language</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt=
;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I realize this is more about fantasy =
literature than SF, but you lot are the gang I know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:=
"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",ser=
if'>Both fantasy and SF have to create, and maintain, credibly consistent u=
niverses, within certain boundaries. Part of that, it seems to me, is avoid=
ing anachronisms, or linguistic tags to a certain time, or place. An Americ=
anism like &quot;No Way!&quot; or other contemporary word structures, are o=
ut of place in times or places other than the here and now.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-=
family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Rom=
an",serif'>I get <i>seriously</i>&nbsp;irritated by the use of the word &qu=
ot;okay&quot; in created universes where it is simply out of place. The mos=
t egregious example is the movie <i>Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters. </i>A=
nd yes, it has a lot of other foolishness in it, but it is a fantasy. But t=
he consistent use of okay- a 19th century Americanism- is wildly out of pla=
ce in a medieval central European setting.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tim=
es New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>=
I am currently reading an otherwise excellent fantasy novel- multi layered,=
 interesting characters, pretty clearly not on this earth, and I have no id=
ea how it it is going to end- low on the predictability scale, which is alw=
ays a good thing. I'm maybe a fourth of the way into the book, and twice al=
ready the word okay has been used. To me this is just sloppy writing.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18=
.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tim=
es New Roman",serif'>Or, maybe I'm just an old grouch on the topic.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0=
pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Times=
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=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- </p></div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Charley<br>Desert Sailor</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
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