Re: How could total separation of content (xhtml/xml) and presentation (CSS) be achieved with the Bitflux Editor (or Mozile)?

   Hi!

I look forward to hearing your answers... But as much as that I'd like 
to open up a general discussion on developing a WYSIWYG-editor (and 
CMS) with total separation of content (xhtml/xml) and presentation 
(CSS). Something like a bit of a brainstorming session would be nice, 
so anybody's comments are of interest. So the general questions could 
be: What kind of needs are there for a total separation of content and 
presentation? and more importantly; How could this be achieved?

   -Simon


On Mar 4, 2005, at 05:05, Christian Stocker wrote:

>
> Hi Simon
>
>
> I'm on vacation until next monday in a week. I'm happy to answer your
> questions thoroughly but you have to wait until then ;)
>
> chregu
>
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Simon Rönnqvist wrote:
>
>>    Hi!
>>
>> * * * BACKGROUND * * *
>> For my thesis work I'm looking for a CMS along with a WYSIWYG that
>> would support separation of content from presentation (CSS) to the 
>> best
>> possible degree. BxCMS and Lenya are my candidates for the CMS but at
>> least the Bitflux Editor seems to be a clear winner when it comes to
>> the WYSIWYG-editor. (Or would even Mozile be good for the job?)
>> Therefore I'd like to evaluate the Bitflux Editor's (and possibly
>> Mozile's) abilities for separation of content and presentation. If
>> you'd be very interested in this evaluation I could consider writing
>> the thesis in English, otherwise I might stick to my mother's thounge
>> Swedish. :-) Do you have any comments or thoughts about these things?
>>
>> * * * TO THE POINT * * *
>> One thing which I at this point think seems to be missing from the
>> Bitflux Editor (and Mozile) is an ability to edit external
>> CSS-properties. :-) It'd be great if one for example could give an
>> image a specific ID and then in the separate CSS float that element
>> right or left. To my present understanding (correct me if I'm wrong)
>> I'd have to specify a class i.e. called left or right, which
>> semantically wouldn't make any sense. Then I might just as well 
>> specify
>> a style="float: ..." attribute instead, and then the separation of
>> content and style would have failed at that point. (One could of 
>> course
>> argue wether there's a need for total separation or not, but let's say
>> there is. This img floating is just an example.)
>>
>> Basically what I'd be looking for is an ability to assign ID:s and
>> classes to elements and then to make certain predefined css-properties
>> apply to the ID:s or classes of choise. One could build a separate
>> CSS-editor which could be used with any WYSIWYG xhtml/xml editor that
>> would allow the user to define class and id attributes for the
>> elements. But a better idea would be to integrate the CSS-editor with
>> the WYSIWYG so that all style related data (CSS) would automatically 
>> be
>> separated from the markup (html/xml) without the user even having to
>> know about it.
>>
>> More on this here:
>> http://digital-web.com/articles/integrating_css_with_cms/comments/
>> #comment835
>>
>> So to begin with I guess being able to assign class and ID attributes
>> to different elements would get me quite far. To my understanding this
>> is at least possible in Bitflux Editor 2.0, isn't it? How about 
>> Bitflux
>> Editor 1.0 or even Mozile? (I'd prefer being able to specify 
>> attributes
>> directly to elements such as img-tags, extra span and div-tags would 
>> do
>> the job but in a rather ugly way.)
>>
>> Do btw. all or any of these editors have a possibility to give the 
>> user
>> a set of choises of classes (or other attributes)?
>> I.e. <div class="floatLeft">, <div class="floatRight"> and so on... 
>> and
>> not just tags without attributes.
>>
>>    regards, Simon
>>
>>
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