Re: BXE2.0 - Can't make itwork locally]

On 28.3.2005 16:02 Uhr, Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>>Are you planing integrating BXE 2.0 into lenya?
> 
> 
> Yes, indeed!

Cool.

> I am currently looking for good ways to edit arbitrary XML documents in
> and end-user compatible fashion. You're probably aware that this not
> trivial.

And how I'm aware of that ;)

> So I am looking at different alternatives. BXE 2.0 sounds
> promising to be, though I view it as a huge minus that it is tied to
> Mozilla.

This won't change in the future. Would be a great pita to support IE and
we just don't have the resources for that.

> Therefore we look at CForms based editing as well (as an
> alternative) and let the user choose.

That's a good approach ;)

> For a document such as a link list or an FAQ entry, a form is probably the
> simplest as is 100% browser independent. Also further down the road
> looking at stuff line XForms and XAML I can envision really neat stuff in
> that direction.

Yep, but one of the goal of BXE 2.0 is also to finally make it easy to
edit such documents. With BXE 1, this was a huge task to get properly
working, BXE 2.0 should have much less problems with that. But you're
right (and this is also my experience), most people don't have problems
with editing flat-style XML documents like link lists. The major problem
for them is closing the tags ;) And that can be tested before sending it
back to the server.

> But for text centric documents that are XHTML-like but either contain
> surrounding information (such as the Echo/Atom stuff) or for document that
> are basically XHTML but require a bit more intelligence in terms of
> including fragments, assets or links forms aren't the solution at all.

Also for for example docbook like documents. Basically everything which
is more complex.

> It's still not easy!
> 
> In the medium term, we are experimenting towards a plugin architecture for
> Lenya that might make it for 1.4. I want to use BXE 2.0 to experiment with
> that and create a BXE 2.0 plugin. Having a proper contract for plugins
> might foster a 3rd party plugin ecosystem (similar to the one of JEdit for
> example) which will yield more choice the the end user. Especially Lenya
> releases could be independent of editor's releases.

Sounds great. Just tell me, if I can help you anything, or if you need
anything differrent in BXE to make it more easily for integration in lenya.

chregu

> 
> Regards,
> Torsten
> 
> 
> 
>>And BTW, You have to hit "Reply-To-All" on our mailinglists, otherwise
>>your answers don't go on the mailinglist.
> 
> 
> Sorry. I will do my best to remember this next time.
> 
> Regards,
> Torsten
> 
> 
>>On 28.3.2005 13:04 Uhr, Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>>
>>>Christian,
>>>
>>>probably found the problem ...
>>>
>>>The /examples/rss works for me know (at least to the point it works from
>>>your website as well). The problem was that it is not linked from the
>>>top
>>>index.html, so I did not see it and did not try it.
>>
>>Ah ok. Good to hear, that it at least works, where it should ;)
>>
>>
>>>In the index.html there are only:
>>>
>>>    * Bitflux Editor Website with inline loading and XHTML Elements
>>>(with
>>>image insert support)
>>>    * Bitflux Editor Website with inline loading
>>>    * University of Zurich (has XHTML Schema support, quite complex)
>>>    * Echo/Atom (needs a nicer CSS and a fixed RelaxNG)
>>>
>>>and none of them seems to work.
>>>
>>>Maybe it makes sense to mark these examples as "broken". Others might be
>>>confused as well.
>>
>>Yeah, I removed them. They're not supposed to work ;)
>>
>>Are you planing integrating BXE 2.0 into lenya?
>>
>>And BTW, You have to hit "Reply-To-All" on our mailinglists, otherwise
>>your answers don't go on the mailinglist.
>>
>>
>>chregu
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your help!
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Torsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 28.3.2005 10:26 Uhr, Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>You downloaded the demo and tried to load it via file:// in the
>>>>>>browser,
>>>>>>or what exactly did you do?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That was one attempt I made.
>>>>>When this did not work, I copied the whole directory tree into the
>>>>>document root of my webserver and tried to load it via http. Same
>>>>>result.
>>>>>And I have checked the JavaScript console. No errors
>>>>
>>>>Which example are you trying? examples/rss/ ? The others (except xslt2)
>>>>don't work and consequently I deleted them now from the bxe_2_0 branch.
>>>>
>>>>I just checked out the whole branch again in a new directory, and it
>>>>works for me (accessed via file://).
>>>>
>>>>Did you download it with subversion? Which revision do you have? (Is now
>>>>at r1194)
>>>>
>>>>The demo at http://trash.chregu.tv/bxe_2_0/examples/rss/ was not up to
>>>>date. I did an "svn up" there now, can you check, if it still works for
>>>>you?
>>>>
>>>>Furthermore, which OS and which browser are you using?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>And be aware that BXE 2.0 is very alpha.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I know. But why does the demo work when I call it on your server but
>>>>>the
>>>>>very same revision does not work on mine? Is there anything hard-coded?
>>>>>I
>>>>>know to little about it to start debugging this myself.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Torsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you check the JS console, resp. error-screen, if there are any
>>>>>>errors there?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 27.3.2005 21:55 Uhr, Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I recently checked out the BXE 2.0 trunk from SVN, put it into my
>>>>>>>webserver and tried to run the demo. But when I hit "Edit article"
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>BXE
>>>>>>>splash screen stays forever. When I click on it, it goes away but I
>>>>>>>cannot
>>>>>>>edit. I see the boxes around the individual items, but I cannot
>>>>>>>change
>>>>>>>anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Calling up the demo from your website with the very same browser
>>>>>>>works
>>>>>>>fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I even tried checking out the exact same revision as the online demo
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>your website runs on, but had the same problem. So I am convinved
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>needs to be something local, but I have no idea where to start
>>>>>>>searching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any hints from the experienced?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You downloaded the demo and tried to load it via file:// in the
>>>>>>browser,
>>>>>>or what exactly did you do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you check the JS console, resp. error-screen, if there are any
>>>>>>errors there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And be aware that BXE 2.0 is very alpha. It basically works and the
>>>>>>API
>>>>>>(whatever that is in BXE ;) ) shouldn't change anymore, but there are
>>>>>>still a lot of bugs. But startiing with trying to implement it, is
>>>>>>certainly not the badest idea ;) BXE 2.0 is hopefully going to be a
>>>>>>major step in our developement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>chregu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Torsten
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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