Re: Yahoo Groups going away -> sedusers.org
"jinesh doshi [email protected] [sed-users]" <[email protected]> Fri, 25 Oct 2019 05:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
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--lVvLqM14sxMRJINjmFI8uDwWr5gSwtdhOY0Dv2I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Count me in. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM, 'Marcus L. Thompson' [email protected] [= sed-users]<[email protected]> wrote: Count me in, too; if you're = counting heads ;o) On 10/21/2019 10:27 AM, Sven Guckes [email protected]=20 [sed-users] wrote: > > * Daniel Goldman <[email protected]> [2019-10-17 08:31]: > > Sven, or whoever is current admin, do you have a way > > to automatically download all the archived content? > > I think it is very useful to save, one way or > > another we *must* save it, because there are > > many good examples and insights in the content. > > my current SEDUSERS folder contains 3,100+ messages. > starting June 2005. so there's this backup. > > > Sven, or whoever is current admin, is there another platform > > we might migrate to? Or stick with email-only group? Or other > > preferred course of action? Any other thoughts or reflections? > > i had registered the domain sedusers.org exactly for this purpose. > (by the way, maillists at my ISP (in-berlin.de) run on mailman.) > the address of the list would simply be [email protected] > which hopefully is the right name for this. > > in fact, i had prepared a transition in 2016.. > but then a few things happened to my health. :-/ > > one of the open questions of this transition was whether we > migrate all users onto a new list forcibly - or let them > decide whether they want to subscribe again to it themselves. > > planC would be to simply auto-subscribe those who > have posted to the list within the last two years > and simply drop the rest. maybe those have been > too lazy to unsubscribe, anyway. ;-) > > the new mailing list would definitely have these features: > NO "reply-to: list", and NO default footer/signature, and > NO attachments (also dropping text/html along the way). > > the rationale is that a reply-to-list might yield replies > which are actually meant for private communication, and > the result is usually from embarassing to catastrophic. > besides, your mailer *should* have a command reply-to-list > (based on the addresses in the List-* headers). > this is the 3rd millennium, after all. > > besides, the moderation for first time posters has saved > this list a TON of spam. and i would keep this as it is. > thanks to Ruud van Tol for helping me with the moderation. > > i would also restrict the size of messages to, say, 10KB. > my statistics over the years have shown > that 97% of all messages were under 5KB. > > this also stops messages with TOFU > (text over (above), full-quote under). > as these pile up quite quickly. this has > worked quite well for quite some other lists. > > as usual, i ask you all to strip yahoo's default > footer from responses as everything that isn't > necessary for a response, eg quoted signatures. > this helps for smaller messages and a usable archive. > > a little bit of statistics: > sed-users was founded on nov 23rd 2000 - almost 20 years ago. > it currently has 1,590 members and has seen 10,000 messages. > > Sven > >=20 ---- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ --=20 ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --lVvLqM14sxMRJINjmFI8uDwWr5gSwtdhOY0Dv2I Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>Count me in.<br> <br> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <br> <br> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM, 'Marcus L. Thompson' [email protected] [sed-users]<[email protected]> wrote: Count me in, too; if you're counting heads ;o)<br> <br> On 10/21/2019 10:27 AM, Sven Guckes [email protected] <br> [sed-users] wrote:<br> ><br> > * Daniel Goldman <[email protected]> [2019-10-17 08:31]:<br> > > Sven, or whoever is current admin, do you have a way<br> > > to automatically download all the archived content?<br> > > I think it is very useful to save, one way or<br> > > another we *must* save it, because there are<br> > > many good examples and insights in the content.<br> ><br> > my current SEDUSERS folder contains 3,100+ messages.<br> > starting June 2005. so there's this backup.<br> ><br> > > Sven, or whoever is current admin, is there another platform<br> > > we might migrate to? Or stick with email-only group? Or other<br> > > preferred course of action? Any other thoughts or reflections?<br> ><br> > i had registered the domain sedusers.org exactly for this purpose.<br> > (by the way, maillists at my ISP (in-berlin.de) run on mailman.)<br> > the address of the list would simply be [email protected]<br> > which hopefully is the right name for this.<br> ><br> > in fact, i had prepared a transition in 2016..<br> > but then a few things happened to my health. :-/<br> ><br> > one of the open questions of this transition was whether we<br> > migrate all users onto a new list forcibly - or let them<br> > decide whether they want to subscribe again to it themselves.<br> ><br> > planC would be to simply auto-subscribe those who<br> > have posted to the list within the last two years<br> > and simply drop the rest. maybe those have been<br> > too lazy to unsubscribe, anyway. ;-)<br> ><br> > the new mailing list would definitely have these features:<br> > NO "reply-to: list", and NO default footer/signature, and<br> > NO attachments (also dropping text/html along the way).<br> ><br> > the rationale is that a reply-to-list might yield replies<br> > which are actually meant for private communication, and<br> > the result is usually from embarassing to catastrophic.<br> > besides, your mailer *should* have a command reply-to-list<br> > (based on the addresses in the List-* headers).<br> > this is the 3rd millennium, after all.<br> ><br> > besides, the moderation for first time posters has saved<br> > this list a TON of spam. and i would keep this as it is.<br> > thanks to Ruud van Tol for helping me with the moderation.<br> ><br> > i would also restrict the size of messages to, say, 10KB.<br> > my statistics over the years have shown<br> > that 97% of all messages were under 5KB.<br> ><br> > this also stops messages with TOFU<br> > (text over (above), full-quote under).<br> > as these pile up quite quickly. this has<br> > worked quite well for quite some other lists.<br> ><br> > as usual, i ask you all to strip yahoo's default<br> > footer from responses as everything that isn't<br> > necessary for a response, eg quoted signatures.<br> > this helps for smaller messages and a usable archive.<br> ><br> > a little bit of statistics:<br> > sed-users was founded on nov 23rd 2000 - almost 20 years ago.<br> > it currently has 1,590 members and has seen 10,000 messages.<br> ><br> > Sven<br> ><br> > <br> <br> ----<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> ------------------------------------<br> <br> ------------------------------------<br> <br> -- <br> <br> ------------------------------------<br> <br> Yahoo Groups Links<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; 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