Re: Mailing list links

[email protected] wrote:
> To avoid anyone from jumping to conclusions, or making assumptions or even
> taking things for granted, please state what it is you mean by having the
> Burrokeet Project as a member project of the CIS.  In other words, what can
> CIS expect of the burrokeet and what would the burrokeet expect from the
> CIS?  

I believe this was answered when I originally proposed Burrokeet as a 
member of CIS. However, I will answer it again without looking in the 
archives, I hope I give the same answer ;-)

What can CIS expect of Burrokeet?
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CIS can expect Burrokeet to contribute to the development of CIS in the 
same way that any other member will. For example, CIS can expect 
Burrokeet to listen to your needs and consider them when working on the 
Burrokeet product. This does not mean that we will develop Burrokeet in 
the direction CIS needs, but we will endeavor to do so when there are no 
conflicts between the needs of CIS and Burrokeet itself.

What can Burrokeet expect from CIS?
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Burrokeet can expect to have input into the further development of 
Burrokeet as a result of a two way dialog.

> Is there any distiction between asking something of the Burrokeet
> project and independantly asking its developers/members?

No - none whatsoever - nobody, whether it is the Burrokeet project or an 
individual member of CIS, can be forced to do anything, only a request 
can be made. Similarly no member of CIS can demand anything of other 
members of CIS.

> The last question is especially important because as is, Anil is a member of
> the CIS, and has been before he started working on the burrokeet project. 
> To my knowledge he has not removed himself from the CIS.  As we are using
> his webserver, he is currently the only person responsible for maintaining
> the CIS website (until i am trained to use the burrokeet this week or the
> next) and as such, i have asked him to make some changes to it when he can. 
> On whose time this is done is not my concern as, after all, the CIS is a
> volunteer effort, right?

The fact that Anil is a member of CIS independently of Burrokeet is 
irrelevant to the fact that Burrokeet is, as a member of CIS, is 
providing *financial resources* to assist its development.

You correctly made a *request* of Anil as a private member of CIS, 
however, I made a *demand* of Anil as a paid member of the Burrokeet 
team (and of course offered my assistance as another paid member of the 
Burrokeet team). My wording in the email was very poor, and in all 
probability innapropriate for a public list (it wouldn't be here in the 
UK, but you guys can't be expected to always make allowances for the 
differences between our cultures - my appologies if anyone I have 
offended - in particular Anil).

I want CIS to succeed. You will recall that when I left Trinidad I 
assured you that I would assist in finding you funding for your 
projects. I am trying to come good on that by offering what assistance I 
can at this stage.

CIS is currently a non-entity, it has private members who are doing good 
work, but as a unit it is irrelevant, I cannot get funding for an 
irrelevant entity and so I am trying to assist in bringing some unity to 
this voluteer effort by providing *paid for* time.

 From a personal perspective, I can assure you that I will not be doing 
any work on CIS unless someone is paying for it, I like you have to eat. 
When I was in Trinidad UWI paid for my time, right now Burrokeet is 
paying for it. I imagine that other members of CIS feel the same way, 
they will only provide contributions if there is a personal benefit.

By asking Burrokeet staff to contribute as part of their job function I 
am hoping to move CIS forward at a faster pace than has been seen. I am 
very keen to ensure that a local project is set up before funindg on 
Burrokeet runs out since I want to make sure that Anil remains a part of 
the Burrokeet team, something I can only be certain of if he is paid to 
be a member. I do not believe that this affects Anils, or any 
individuals personal contributions to CIS.

In summary, CIS cannot make demands of Burrokeet, it an make requests, 
but Burrokeet can choose to prioritise its resources in such a way that 
those requests are met with haste.

Does this cover all your concerns?

Ross

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