Re: Boris Johnson and Classical Studies

I recall that a referendum has already been held on the matter?

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:37 AM, DANIEL P. Tompkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks again Mark.  When this dispute erupted in 2016 I urged (as I recall)
> attention to what real economists had to say vs folks worried about the
> shape of bananas.  Now the list remains largely free of serious
> economic discussion, dismayingly.  Now I find  that one "economist
> *for* Brexit"
> predicted that Brexit meant disaster for workers
> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fcarltonreid%2F2019%2F02%2F07%2Fpiers-morgan-shamed-by-live-fact-check-on-brexit-economists-prediction-uk-car-manufacturing-to-end%2F%232739bca03efb&amp;data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40LSV.UKY.EDU%7Cfe38b83db30247c563b408d74b38aedd%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637060579130595454&amp;sdata=0z9IvKbl2dbyjbteyzVQBGGeL29kP7r1gigErzmNqZQ%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> :
> 
> Professor Patrick Minford – of Economists For Brexit – had told parliament
> that U.K. car manufacturing would have to be eliminated if the U.K left the
> European Union.
> 
> 
> We need to be careful in assessing what Brexit means in different parts of
> UK.  It will affect housing prices in London more than elsewhere, but
> London remains, I think, the site of some of the highest median salaries on
> the island* -- I just looked up Sunderand and Cardiff.  This is
> especially true of Kensington, Camden, Westminster, etc.  So these folks
> are  somewhat insulated.  It's the workers of Wigan and Sunderland we need
> to follow, if we're tracking true downward mobility.  The annals of opinion
> research since the 1940s are full of evidence that where you sit depends on
> where you stand. (I got into this after finding that Paul Lazarsfeld, one
> father of the field,a  wrote one of Moses FInley's best recommendations in
> 1947.  Max Horkheimer did another. One of the least enthusiastic came from
> his advisor Westermann.)
> 
> Perhaps Brexit supporters might cite a good economist or two?  That would
> get us away from tired gibes about which paper one reads.
> 
> Dan
> 
> *I say "the island" because I remain unsure as to the future allegiance of
> Northern Ireland — and Scotland too.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:46 AM Mark Davidson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> An opinion about Boris Johnson (video below) from a *real* Conservative -
>> Rory Stewart. Another Eton and Balliol man, as it happens, and a government
>> minister under David Cameron and Theresa May.
>> 
>> He compares the expulsion of 21 Conservative MPs (including himself) with
>> the purge of the Mensheviks.
>> 
>> He mentions Kenneth Clarke, who was also expelled from the Conservative
>> Party:
>> 
>> "He's the Father of the House, he's been in the House of Commons since I
>> guess the time I was born. He has been in Edward Heath's government, in
>> Margaret Thatcher's government, in John Major's government, in David
>> Cameron's government. He's been Home Secretary, Chancellor of the
>> Exchequer, Lord Chancellor. He's voted against the government, I think,
>> once in his entire life, and has just found himself thrown out of the
>> Conservative Party."
>> 
>> He talks about the dangers of the 'might is right' mindset, 'the end
>> justifies the means', ignoring due process and winning at any cost.
>> 
>> Rory Stewart's implicit comparison of Johnson's clique with the Bolsheviks
>> makes sense. To call them Conservative is a major error. They are radicals.
>> Their aim is not the restoration of an imagined glorious past, but creating
>> a new 'Singapore on the Thames' - an unregulated tax haven and paradise for
>> billionaires, bankers, and the wealthy elite.
>> 
>> Video:
>> 
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcfkkfxT1VKI&amp;data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40LSV.UKY.EDU%7Cfe38b83db30247c563b408d74b38aedd%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637060579130595454&amp;sdata=k8OkcR3DGscsIBuJVQ6Wz2IfqcHWli9z4GgPYHOpPhs%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 
>> Mark D.
>>