Re: Boris Johnson and Classical Studies

Unfortunately, it was not a particularly clean referendum. 

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> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Carson, Lisa <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I recall that a referendum has already been held on the matter?
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:37 AM, DANIEL P. Tompkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks again Mark.  When this dispute erupted in 2016 I urged (as I recall)
>> attention to what real economists had to say vs folks worried about the
>> shape of bananas.  Now the list remains largely free of serious
>> economic discussion, dismayingly.  Now I find  that one "economist
>> *for* Brexit"
>> predicted that Brexit meant disaster for workers
>> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fcarltonreid%2F2019%2F02%2F07%2Fpiers-morgan-shamed-by-live-fact-check-on-brexit-economists-prediction-uk-car-manufacturing-to-end%2F%232739bca03efb&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cclassics-l%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cc9390048aa1d4a06ff5608d74b401b36%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637060611015472020&amp;sdata=%2B4FiSf9IiuH77F%2FhPMphZZwz2SKnxJYCZS5PidXqG0s%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> :
>> 
>> Professor Patrick Minford – of Economists For Brexit – had told parliament
>> that U.K. car manufacturing would have to be eliminated if the U.K left the
>> European Union.
>> 
>> 
>> We need to be careful in assessing what Brexit means in different parts of
>> UK.  It will affect housing prices in London more than elsewhere, but
>> London remains, I think, the site of some of the highest median salaries on
>> the island* -- I just looked up Sunderand and Cardiff.  This is
>> especially true of Kensington, Camden, Westminster, etc.  So these folks
>> are  somewhat insulated.  It's the workers of Wigan and Sunderland we need
>> to follow, if we're tracking true downward mobility.  The annals of opinion
>> research since the 1940s are full of evidence that where you sit depends on
>> where you stand. (I got into this after finding that Paul Lazarsfeld, one
>> father of the field,a  wrote one of Moses FInley's best recommendations in
>> 1947.  Max Horkheimer did another. One of the least enthusiastic came from
>> his advisor Westermann.)
>> 
>> Perhaps Brexit supporters might cite a good economist or two?  That would
>> get us away from tired gibes about which paper one reads.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> *I say "the island" because I remain unsure as to the future allegiance of
>> Northern Ireland — and Scotland too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:46 AM Mark Davidson <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> An opinion about Boris Johnson (video below) from a *real* Conservative -
>>> Rory Stewart. Another Eton and Balliol man, as it happens, and a government
>>> minister under David Cameron and Theresa May.
>>> 
>>> He compares the expulsion of 21 Conservative MPs (including himself) with
>>> the purge of the Mensheviks.
>>> 
>>> He mentions Kenneth Clarke, who was also expelled from the Conservative
>>> Party:
>>> 
>>> "He's the Father of the House, he's been in the House of Commons since I
>>> guess the time I was born. He has been in Edward Heath's government, in
>>> Margaret Thatcher's government, in John Major's government, in David
>>> Cameron's government. He's been Home Secretary, Chancellor of the
>>> Exchequer, Lord Chancellor. He's voted against the government, I think,
>>> once in his entire life, and has just found himself thrown out of the
>>> Conservative Party."
>>> 
>>> He talks about the dangers of the 'might is right' mindset, 'the end
>>> justifies the means', ignoring due process and winning at any cost.
>>> 
>>> Rory Stewart's implicit comparison of Johnson's clique with the Bolsheviks
>>> makes sense. To call them Conservative is a major error. They are radicals.
>>> Their aim is not the restoration of an imagined glorious past, but creating
>>> a new 'Singapore on the Thames' - an unregulated tax haven and paradise for
>>> billionaires, bankers, and the wealthy elite.
>>> 
>>> Video:
>>> 
>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcfkkfxT1VKI&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cclassics-l%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cc9390048aa1d4a06ff5608d74b401b36%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637060611015472020&amp;sdata=Ypnlz%2B96G5r8k%2FfFzTo%2BkiJEMJ4%2FyEEF3LzKh4u%2FDTY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 
>>> Mark D.
>>> 
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