Re: Boris Johnson and Classical Studies

Yes, in 1975.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 17:12 Carson, Lisa <[email protected]> wrote:

> I recall that a referendum has already been held on the matter?
>
> > On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:37 AM, DANIEL P. Tompkins <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks again Mark.  When this dispute erupted in 2016 I urged (as I
> recall)
> > attention to what real economists had to say vs folks worried about the
> > shape of bananas.  Now the list remains largely free of serious
> > economic discussion, dismayingly.  Now I find  that one "economist
> > *for* Brexit"
> > predicted that Brexit meant disaster for workers
> > <
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fcarltonreid%2F2019%2F02%2F07%2Fpiers-morgan-shamed-by-live-fact-check-on-brexit-economists-prediction-uk-car-manufacturing-to-end%2F%232739bca03efb&amp;data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7C31beb76eeee341e63fc408d74b407bf3%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637060612637771755&amp;sdata=ACofgfqcoxnAsNMTylFlcCDHXzuLjeMeB9AYGg%2FKn5g%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> > :
> >
> > Professor Patrick Minford – of Economists For Brexit – had told
> parliament
> > that U.K. car manufacturing would have to be eliminated if the U.K left
> the
> > European Union.
> >
> >
> > We need to be careful in assessing what Brexit means in different parts
> of
> > UK.  It will affect housing prices in London more than elsewhere, but
> > London remains, I think, the site of some of the highest median salaries
> on
> > the island* -- I just looked up Sunderand and Cardiff.  This is
> > especially true of Kensington, Camden, Westminster, etc.  So these folks
> > are  somewhat insulated.  It's the workers of Wigan and Sunderland we
> need
> > to follow, if we're tracking true downward mobility.  The annals of
> opinion
> > research since the 1940s are full of evidence that where you sit depends
> on
> > where you stand. (I got into this after finding that Paul Lazarsfeld, one
> > father of the field,a  wrote one of Moses FInley's best recommendations
> in
> > 1947.  Max Horkheimer did another. One of the least enthusiastic came
> from
> > his advisor Westermann.)
> >
> > Perhaps Brexit supporters might cite a good economist or two?  That would
> > get us away from tired gibes about which paper one reads.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > *I say "the island" because I remain unsure as to the future allegiance
> of
> > Northern Ireland — and Scotland too.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:46 AM Mark Davidson <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> An opinion about Boris Johnson (video below) from a *real* Conservative
> -
> >> Rory Stewart. Another Eton and Balliol man, as it happens, and a
> government
> >> minister under David Cameron and Theresa May.
> >>
> >> He compares the expulsion of 21 Conservative MPs (including himself)
> with
> >> the purge of the Mensheviks.
> >>
> >> He mentions Kenneth Clarke, who was also expelled from the Conservative
> >> Party:
> >>
> >> "He's the Father of the House, he's been in the House of Commons since I
> >> guess the time I was born. He has been in Edward Heath's government, in
> >> Margaret Thatcher's government, in John Major's government, in David
> >> Cameron's government. He's been Home Secretary, Chancellor of the
> >> Exchequer, Lord Chancellor. He's voted against the government, I think,
> >> once in his entire life, and has just found himself thrown out of the
> >> Conservative Party."
> >>
> >> He talks about the dangers of the 'might is right' mindset, 'the end
> >> justifies the means', ignoring due process and winning at any cost.
> >>
> >> Rory Stewart's implicit comparison of Johnson's clique with the
> Bolsheviks
> >> makes sense. To call them Conservative is a major error. They are
> radicals.
> >> Their aim is not the restoration of an imagined glorious past, but
> creating
> >> a new 'Singapore on the Thames' - an unregulated tax haven and paradise
> for
> >> billionaires, bankers, and the wealthy elite.
> >>
> >> Video:
> >>
> >>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcfkkfxT1VKI&amp;data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7C31beb76eeee341e63fc408d74b407bf3%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637060612637771755&amp;sdata=ISpeAB1GS6UH4%2F7aXMbGvVKNl8h%2BpMbcSPA%2FT%2FkqDTU%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> Mark D.
> >>
>
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