Re: Great thinkers and weaponry

Interesting points and I would agree with Ralph.  Both =E1=BD=91=CE=B2=CF=
=81=CE=AF=CE=B6=CF=89 and "insult"
have such a wide range of meaning that work is required to get each usage
right.

"Insult" as "leap on" (physically) does seem to be *pass=C3=A9 *but was (pe=
r
OED) certainly current 1600-1850 or so, e.g. "The enterprising pirate,
Kanhoji Angria, by whom the trade of the [East India, I assume] Company was
subjected to repeated *insult* and plunder during the first thirty years of
the eighteenth century."  OED has a bunch of usages from translations of
Plutarch and Vergil.  And in Demosthenes (LSJ) the speaker complains he's
been =CF=80=CE=BB=CE=B7=CE=B3=E1=BD=B0=CF=82 =CE=B5=E1=BC=B0=CE=BB=CE=B7=CF=
=86=E1=BD=BC=CF=82 =CE=BA=CE=B1=E1=BD=B6 *=E1=BD=91=CE=B2=CF=81=CE=B9=CF=83=
=CE=BC=CE=AD=CE=BD=CE=BF=CF=82 *- punched?

Rackham's Aristotle translation, quoted from Perseus below, dates to 1932,
so he could be accused of "archaizing."

Thanks to all,

Dan






On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:10 PM Ralph Hancock <[email protected]>
wrote:

> How would you translate =CF=80=CE=AC=CF=83=CF=87=CE=B5=CE=B9=CE=BD =CE=BA=
=CE=B1=CE=BA=E1=BF=B6=CF=82 =CE=BC=CE=B7=CE=B4=E1=BD=B2 =E1=BD=91=CE=B2=CF=
=81=CE=AF=CE=B6=CE=B5=CF=83=CE=B8=CE=B1=CE=B9 into modern English?
> The old translation 'suffer disaster or insult' seem to suggests that the
> very nonspecific =CE=BA=CE=B1=CE=BA=E1=BF=B6=CF=82 refers to the total sa=
ck of the city, and =E1=BD=91=CE=B2=CF=81=CE=AF=CE=B6=CE=B5=CF=83=CE=B8=CE=
=B1=CE=B9
> to some smaller but humiliating raid, but both terms seem so vague that i=
t
> could be the other way round.
>
> RH
>