Re: Re: Suggest Bounty for Defects

Hi all.

Ylva wrote:
>
> I agree that perhaps I am using toontalk in the wrong way, however, 
> then
> this problem probably transfers also to the kids I will work with 
> since I
> will have the dangerous role of "guiding them" in their work. And 
> also, even
> if I am doing weird things, we should not forget that kids tend to do 
> weird
> things all the time! :-)
>

I don't believe you are using ToonTalk wrong. The only thing you might 
do more of is to adapt or workaround ToonTalk problems. For example you 
have had problems with user pictures in notebooks (that I believe have 
been fixed for many months now except for the visibility sensor which 
was fixed last week). Notebooks are probably the best way to keep and 
organize lots of artwork but if it isn't working right then use boxes or 
web pages with lots of links instead.

> I am also
> confused about the crash that "only" occurred when getting back too tt 
> after
> pausing it while the mouse was moving (or did I understand you 
> right?). Why
> do you think this only happens to me? Perhaps I was accidentally 
> touching
> the mouse when hitting pause, but what do you think is the case when 
> several
> kids sit together around the computer with one controlling the mouse 
> and
> another the keyboard?
>

You also had to be using time travel and mouse speed sensors. That 
combination of actions is not likely to be discovered by a tester 
looking for problems.

My general advice regarding time travel is to try it. Sometimes it slows 
things down too much. Occassionally it introduces new problems (much 
less often than earlier). If something is goes wrong then turn off time 
travel.

> Regarding the saving of pictures, you (ken) told me that the easiest 
> way to
> save a large set of pictures in a notebook after having dragged them 
> into
> toontalk (resulting in a box with many holes) is to drop it on an 
> erased
> notebook. What then should we tell the kids to be doing in these 
> situations?
> Should we tell them to take the picture one by one and place them in 
> the
> notebook? If we think this is inconvenient for us, why assume we would 
> like
> the kids to spend their time doing this? I think it is more reasonable 
> to
> get the kids actually build on their models, rather than fiddling with
> workarounds like these just to get their media files sorted out.
>

Yes, I suggested that you drag several pictures into ToonTalk at one 
time and then drop the resulting box on an erased notebook. And then we 
discovered that in the process some pictures switched from SEE SOME to 
SEE ALL so I fixed the bug last week. But if I was working with kids or 
preparing to work with kids and saw an anomaly like this I would report 
it as you did (thanks) and try another approach. Maybe just live with 
boxes with 10 or 20 pictures in them instead.

> In case of the weblabs projects, what the kids will be doing in 
> toontalk
> depends a lot on the activity sequences that we have prepared. Central 
> to
> the activities within the systems, modelling and randomness activities 
> is to
> connect the toontalk activities with models they build outside of 
> toontalk,
> for instance by including paper and clay models into their 
> computational
> systems. Important to the project is also to be able to share the 
> models
> built at one site, through the website, and let children at other 
> sites
> test, modify and send these models back. If then pictures, etc, are 
> not
> transferred properly (independently of what way they end up storing 
> the
> pictures, what language they are using, etc) this will be a great 
> problem
> for many children as well as for the project at large.
>

Yes, I agree. But I'm an optimist and think this is working now. If you 
can drag in several pictures to 3.135(X), convert them to a notebook 
(should be working now), stick a few sample gadgets on the back of some, 
save it to the web site, and load the result on another computer with a 
different language setting then if it works you know that the basic 
activities should work. If not report the problem right away.

Best,

-ken 




 
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