Re: Re: WebReports and Plone

Just had a chat with Ken, and we came up with a common proposal on this 
issue (Ken - correct me if I got anything wrong):

The webreports system will have a "templates" folder. Documents in this 
folder will be used as templates for web reports. When I select "create 
new report", I get a choice of all existing templates in that folder. 
Once I select one of them, it is copied over as my new document.

Templates are normal documents.  In plone, that means they have a name, 
description and formatted text. The names are used to populate the 
choice list. By convention, this text will include headers and 
instructions (like the project templates we send around). Anyone can 
create a template (just add a document to the template folder), but you 
can only edit a template created by someone of your group - if I'm a 
student, I can edit a template created by a fellow student, but not one 
created by a researcher.

After I create a new report from a template, I can edit it freely.  The 
template provides initial scaffolding, but does not restrict me thereafter.


Note that this solution requires Jesper to code the general workflow 
once. From there onwards, editing / creating a template is a simple 
document edit.

- Yishay


Ken Kahn wrote:

>But what kind of templates are you describing? Editable pages or
>computational templates?
>
>And those two template are general and don't seem to give much support
>to your statement:
>
>"My view is that the templates are at the core of our research.  They
>are
>equivalent to Scaldemina's scaffolds.  We want to use them to direct
>users towards particular forms of argumentation.  So, I expect we will
>have quite a few small templates, and that these will evolve a lot over
>time. ..."
>
>Best,
>
>-ken
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Yishay Mor" <y.mor-xaKI+XbQf9Vaa/[email protected]>
>To: "Ken Kahn" <kenkahn-0OjJFJ8UyiNWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>Cc: <webreports-uedesign-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Webreports-uedesign] Re: WebReports and Plone
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>>There was some discussion in Lisbon and after, but you right that
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>there
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>>probably was not enough.
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>>The examples that came up where like creating a webreport to share
>>something I did. The template would be general, not saying anything
>>topic specific. More like:
>>    Tool name: _____________________
>>    What it does: ___________________
>>    How it works: ___________________
>>    Something interesting about it: _______
>>
>>
>>An activity report template would look like:
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>>    Activity name: ___________________
>>    What I did: _____________________
>>    What I learnt: ___________________
>>    What I liked: ____________________
>>    What I didn't: ____________________
>>
>>This is more of less the structure we used last year, and its just an
>>example.
>>
>>- Yishay
>>
>>Ken Kahn wrote:
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>>>I think this is a major issue. And surprisingly I don't recall much
>>>discussion of it.
>>>
>>>My view is that templates are too restrictive if they are implemented
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>as
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>>>forms and buttons. If by template we just mean some formatted text
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>with
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>>>sections that say things like "Replace this sentence with a few
>>>sentences about how your understanding of infinity changed as you did
>>>the activities." and the child just edits away. In other words, a
>>>template is just a page and there is nothing that needs to be
>>>implemented.
>>>
>>>Formatted text makes a good flexible template. If don't want this
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>kind
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>>>of flexibility (and I think we do) then maybe we need some template
>>>mechanism.
>>>
>>>Now there is a need for a small number of what I'll call
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>computational
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>>>templates that do things like support the uploading of ToonTalk code
>>>      
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>to
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>>>the server but those Jesper can build and we probably don't need lots
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>of
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>>>variants.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>-ken
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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