Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: project-store

Lin Jian <[email protected]> writes:

> Stéphane Marks <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> I think project-store is not that useful and won't aid discovery.
>
> Do you have a suggestion for the name?
>
>> I am aware of Nix and Guix but I don't think of them as "stores" of
>> anything.
>
> I am afraid people who know Nix/Guix but do not know Nix/Guix store are
> not the targeted users.  So it does not make much sense to optimize
> anything for them, not to say the very important project name.

That was at least not my concern, I was saying that my initial
association with the term "store" is not "Nix/Guix/... store".  Hence my
recommendation to add at least Nix (since it is the explicitly supported
store) to the package name.

> FYI, there is a "Nix Store" section in the Nix Reference Manual.  You
> can find its URL in the project-store.el file.
>
> FYI, there is a "The Store"[1] section in the GNU Guix Reference Manual.
> It is the first result in my web search for "guix store".  I put its
> link below in case your web search misses it.
>
> [1]: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/guix.html#The-Store
>
>> When I do a web search for "project store" I get nothing useful
>
> That is reasonable because:
>
> - Without context, which is the case when your just do a web search for
>   "project store", you probably won't get useful results.

Right, and conversely if someone is looking at just the name
"project-store", they will lack the context to realize that what "store"
the name references.

> - I am not sure what your expected results are.  But if you want to find
>   my project-store, please note that it was made public just a few days
>   ago.  Even if you do a web search with the hyphen between these two
>   words, without SEO (which I have no motivation to do), you probably
>   still won't find it.
>
>> and when I search for Nix store, I get "Nix Package Search" but it
>> doesn't say "store" and also an actual retail store "Nix & Nax Pop-Up
>> Shop". 
>
> My web search for "nix store" gives a satisfied result:
>
> - Of all 13 web page links and 3 video links in the first page, only one
>   link is irrelevant.  That one is "NixOS search - Packages" and it is
>   ranked 2nd.
> - The "Nix Store" section of Nix Reference Manual is ranked 4 or 6.
> - The first link is "How Nix Works"
>   https://nixos.org/guides/how-nix-works, which is quite useful.
>
> Web search sites are different.
>
> It is difficult to optimize for web search results: even a key concept
> "store" of a large project "Nix" is not easy to find using some search
> sites.
>
> But all of these are not quite relevant to how to name an Emacs package.
> Doing a web search for an Emacs package is what I call "without context"
> above.  You did not even include "Emacs" in your search terms.  What I
> call "with context" is to search popular ELPAs for Emacs packages,
> either using their websites or using using `list-packages' in Emacs.  I
> call them "with context" because:
>
> - All search results are Emacs packages.
> - You can easily see package names and brief descriptions.
> - Bonus: you can search words from both names and brief descriptions.
>
> I think with the current name and brief description, it is easy to
> discover this package if you search it with context.

A web search is just a heuristic for what the average understanding is
of a term.  As we have said, we won't override your decision if you
insist on the name, I'd just like to make sure that you understood the
points of view that Stéphane and I are raising, as I am under the
impression that there might have been a misunderstanding.