RE: Debugging with JDEE

Paul,

Since I mainly used JDB I vote for removing JDEbug. JDE in general
tends to integrate with tools rather than write its own. i.e. Ant,
make, javac, jikes. It makes sense to write tools for things not
provided elsewhere. But tools that are already widely supported and
used elsewhere like debuggers is really make sense to only support
integrations.

Javier

"Paul Kinnucan" <[email protected]> writes:

> Hi Suraj,
>
>  
>
> My day job has grown increasingly demanding over the last couple of years and
> I?ve also been preoccupied with my children?s transition from high school to
> college. This has left me with less time than I would like to devote to the
> JDEE.
>
>  
>
> However, I plan to continue to update and make releases. One thing that would
> help would be to streamline the JDEE itself and its source repository.
> Currently, there are two branches, a main branch and a maintenance branch. The
> reason I branched was that last year I embarked on restructuring the JDEE?s
> interface to jdb and JDEbug to try to create a common interface and thereby
> reduce the maintenance burden. Unfortunately, this was a far more
> time-consuming project than I had anticipated, in fact was soaking up all the
> time I had for the JDEE. Meanwhile a large backlog of bugfixes and incremental
> improvements were accumulating. So at some users? suggestion  I decided to
> branch from JDEE 2.3.5 in order to be able to release accumulated bug fixes and
> other improvements. Just creating this branch was a time-consuming operation.
> Now, I?m stuck with a main branch that has the new generalized debugger
> interface in a half-finished state with no prospect of finishing it any time
> soon and a maintenance branch that allows me to keep releasing but requires
> double-updating for every change.
>
>  
>
> I?ve been giving some thought has how to extricate the JDEE from this morass
> and have been considering doing the following:
>
>  
>
> * Drop JDEBug from the JDEE.
>
>  
>
>   I?ve never been happy with JDEbug. I think it was overly ambitious in design
> and complicated in its implementation and as a
>
>   result is difficult to use and maintain. Personally I use the JDEE?s jdb
> interface for debugging and find it adequate for my purposes.
>
>   Dropping JDEbug would allow me to focus on improving the jdb interface.
>
>  
>
> * Include Nascif?s JSWAT interface in the JDEE distribution for those JDEE
> user?s who need a more capable debugger than jdb.
>
>   I don?t know whether it?s possible but it if is it would be nice to provide a
> JSWAT interface that allows source-level debugging
>
>   within Emacs, i.e., I?m thinking that it might be possible to have JSWAT
> replace JDEbug as the backend for a full-featured
>
>   source-level debugger in Emacs.
>
>  
>
> * Move the JDEE from Sunsite to SourceForge with  JDEE 2.3.5.1 becoming the new
> base CVS version of the JDEE.
>
>  
>
> I would be interested in your feedback on this plan as well as that of 
>  Nascif, Jens, and other JDEE users.
>
>  
>
> Paul
>
>  
>
>  
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Suraj Acharya [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:50 PM
> To: Jens Lautenbacher
> Cc: jde-users
> Subject: Re: Debugging with JDEE
>
>  
>
> I have no idea about when the next release will come out, sorry :-)
>
> But in Paul's defense, the minor release that he put out recently is definitely
> an improvement over the state of things before that. I guess he has a day job
> to work on also, and cannot spend as much time on JDEE as we'd like him to.
>
> But Paul, it would be helpful if those of us who'd like the process to be
> speeded up could contribute in some way in getting releases out. Maybe we could
> integ patches or test them out.
>
> Suraj
>
> On 6/20/06, Jens Lautenbacher <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:39 -0700, Suraj Acharya wrote:
>> I use jdb. I remember Paul mentioning on the list at some point that
>> until the next major JDE release (2.3.6), the jdb interface is likely
>> to be more usable than JDebug.
>
> Do you know anything more specific about when this will be? It's been a
> long time without any real progress now, and I'm wondering if JDE is
> more or less dead? As far as I can see, not even external stuff (like
> your truly excellent jde-usages) is being integrated into CVS...
>
> Maybe you know more about the current plan?
>
>         jtl
>
>  
>

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Javier S. Lopez
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