Re: Debugging with JDEE

Paul,
	Recently, i'm JDEE's new user. I use prefer emacs to gui develop tools because of emacs's quickly keybinding. I think that JDEE should evolve in speeding up develop efficiency. So i prefer using jdb. 

	thanks
	Peter


From: [email protected] (Javier S. Lopez)
Subject: RE: Debugging with JDEE
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:35:02 -0400

> 
> Paul,
> 
> Since I mainly used JDB I vote for removing JDEbug. JDE in general
> tends to integrate with tools rather than write its own. i.e. Ant,
> make, javac, jikes. It makes sense to write tools for things not
> provided elsewhere. But tools that are already widely supported and
> used elsewhere like debuggers is really make sense to only support
> integrations.
> 
> Javier
> 
> "Paul Kinnucan" <[email protected]> writes:
> 
> > Hi Suraj,
> >
> >  
> >
> > My day job has grown increasingly demanding over the last couple of years and
> > I?ve also been preoccupied with my children?s transition from high school to
> > college. This has left me with less time than I would like to devote to the
> > JDEE.
> >
> >  
> >
> > However, I plan to continue to update and make releases. One thing that would
> > help would be to streamline the JDEE itself and its source repository.
> > Currently, there are two branches, a main branch and a maintenance branch. The
> > reason I branched was that last year I embarked on restructuring the JDEE?s
> > interface to jdb and JDEbug to try to create a common interface and thereby
> > reduce the maintenance burden. Unfortunately, this was a far more
> > time-consuming project than I had anticipated, in fact was soaking up all the
> > time I had for the JDEE. Meanwhile a large backlog of bugfixes and incremental
> > improvements were accumulating. So at some users? suggestion  I decided to
> > branch from JDEE 2.3.5 in order to be able to release accumulated bug fixes and
> > other improvements. Just creating this branch was a time-consuming operation.
> > Now, I?m stuck with a main branch that has the new generalized debugger
> > interface in a half-finished state with no prospect of finishing it any time
> > soon and a maintenance branch that allows me to keep releasing but requires
> > double-updating for every change.
> >
> >  
> >
> > I?ve been giving some thought has how to extricate the JDEE from this morass
> > and have been considering doing the following:
> >
> >  
> >
> > * Drop JDEBug from the JDEE.
> >
> >  
> >
> >   I?ve never been happy with JDEbug. I think it was overly ambitious in design
> > and complicated in its implementation and as a
> >
> >   result is difficult to use and maintain. Personally I use the JDEE?s jdb
> > interface for debugging and find it adequate for my purposes.
> >
> >   Dropping JDEbug would allow me to focus on improving the jdb interface.
> >
> >  
> >
> > * Include Nascif?s JSWAT interface in the JDEE distribution for those JDEE
> > user?s who need a more capable debugger than jdb.
> >
> >   I don?t know whether it?s possible but it if is it would be nice to provide a
> > JSWAT interface that allows source-level debugging
> >
> >   within Emacs, i.e., I?m thinking that it might be possible to have JSWAT
> > replace JDEbug as the backend for a full-featured
> >
> >   source-level debugger in Emacs.
> >
> >  
> >
> > * Move the JDEE from Sunsite to SourceForge with  JDEE 2.3.5.1 becoming the new
> > base CVS version of the JDEE.
> >
> >  
> >
> > I would be interested in your feedback on this plan as well as that of 
> >  Nascif, Jens, and other JDEE users.
> >
> >  
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: Suraj Acharya [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:50 PM
> > To: Jens Lautenbacher
> > Cc: jde-users
> > Subject: Re: Debugging with JDEE
> >
> >  
> >
> > I have no idea about when the next release will come out, sorry :-)
> >
> > But in Paul's defense, the minor release that he put out recently is definitely
> > an improvement over the state of things before that. I guess he has a day job
> > to work on also, and cannot spend as much time on JDEE as we'd like him to.
> >
> > But Paul, it would be helpful if those of us who'd like the process to be
> > speeded up could contribute in some way in getting releases out. Maybe we could
> > integ patches or test them out.
> >
> > Suraj
> >
> > On 6/20/06, Jens Lautenbacher <[email protected] > wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:39 -0700, Suraj Acharya wrote:
> >> I use jdb. I remember Paul mentioning on the list at some point that
> >> until the next major JDE release (2.3.6), the jdb interface is likely
> >> to be more usable than JDebug.
> >
> > Do you know anything more specific about when this will be? It's been a
> > long time without any real progress now, and I'm wondering if JDE is
> > more or less dead? As far as I can see, not even external stuff (like
> > your truly excellent jde-usages) is being integrated into CVS...
> >
> > Maybe you know more about the current plan?
> >
> >         jtl
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> Javier S. Lopez
> Software Developer
> Forum Systems, Inc.
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