Re: RE2: Mud and Bog

Hey, Wynn.

Thanks for your input. This is my understanding as well. A vehicle (or 
Infantry, for that matter) can enter a hex using normal movement, or enter a 
hexside using bypass movement. D8.23 is trying to cover both means of 
entering a hex/hexside, IOW, trying to make sure no-one can rules-lawyer 
their way out of "entering a hex" by stating "I'm not entering the hex, only 
the hexside".

The important part is the word "entering". In this case I'm entering 
Orchard. The only case in the rules that I see where a vehicle may incur a 
Bog penalty based on the terrain being EXITED is Stream (B20.46).

David "my vehicle might not be Bogged, but the game is" Olie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wynn Polnicky
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:26 PM
To: geb3 ; 'Klas Malmstrom' ; 'ASL Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [Aslml] RE2: Mud and Bog

David;

Jumping in here because it just struck me how odd it is that one can ever
even 'enter' a hexside. Clearly the authors of D8.23 were not students of
mathematics wherein a line (such as I think any reasonable person would
consider is what a hexside is) is a one-dimensional concept which has no
width and therefore is incapable of ever being entered. Hence I would agree
with your earlier argument that D8.23 is attempting (albeit clumsily) to
refer to bypass movement rather than the crossing of a hexside. After all,
the space *between* a building or woods obstacle and a hexside does have a
measurable width, unlike a hexside.

Wynn
B. Math (Waterloo)
Thinking in the abstract since 1976


-----Original Message----- 
From: David Olie
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:19 PM
To: geb3 ; 'Klas Malmstrom' ; 'ASL Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [Aslml] RE2: Mud and Bog

In fact, it is entering oF3, which is an Orchard hex, therefore not OG. Yes,
it has to traverse the OG portion of the E4 paved road hex to enter oF3. My
argument is that this is irrelevant, as it's not "entering" a hexside, but
simply crossing one.

-----Original Message----- 
From: geb3
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM
To: 'Klas Malmstrom' ; 'ASL Discussion List' ; 'David Olie'
Subject: RE2: Mud and Bog

Taking a moment from a weekend of domestic bliss to try to make things
clear:

I think the halftrack fulfills the D8.23 requirement for a bog check as it
enters F4 (a hex) without benefit of the road.  Is more needed than that?

Cheers!

- G
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Klas Malmstrom
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:12 PM
To: David Olie; ASL Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Aslml] Mud and Bog

Hi,

Well, perhaps I didn't understand the initial question.

Regards,
Klas

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> Fran: David Olie <daveolie-KiPCJBMgASssA/[email protected]>
>Till: Klas Malmstrom <[email protected]>; ASL Discussion List
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>Skickat: fredag, 4 maj 2012 4:57
>Amne: Re: [Aslml] Mud and Bog
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>I beg to differ, Klas.
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>My ht entered gE4 without chance to Bog via the Paved Road (by SSR). It
then enters goF3 (Orchard).
>?
>By D8.23 a vehicle must chance a Bog DR whenever it enters a hex or
hexside without benefit of a paved or plowed or runway hexside.
>?
>In this case I`m not entering a hexside, I`m crossing it,
which could be either OG or Orchard, depending how you look at it. As I
understand it, entering a hexside refers to bypass movement. (D2.3)
>?
>For most purposes in ASL, units do not pay MP or MF penalties for the
terrain that they exit from (the only exception I know of is a vehicle
exiting a Stream, B20.46).
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>David ``Muddy Waters`` Olie
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Klas Malmstrom
>Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:25 AM
>To: ASL Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [Aslml] Mud and Bog
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>Hi,
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>I think you have it correct.
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>/Klas
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>>________________________________
>> Fran: geb3 <[email protected]>
>>Till: 'ASL Discussion List' <[email protected]>
>>Skickat: onsdag, 2 maj 2012 13:01
>>Amne: [Aslml] Mud and Bog
>>
>>Hey, fellas.? In the opening turn of J123, "Charging Chaumont,"
I'm unsure
>>if a Bog DR is called for in this situation:
>>
>>Halftrack leaves gE4 road to enter oF4 orchard over a non-road
hexside.
>>
>>D8.23 reads, "ca vehicle c must chance a BOG DR whenever it enters a
hex or
>>hexside without benefit of a paved/plowed road/runway hexsidec"
>>
>>The way I read this and E3.6, the orchard will negate the additional
1/2MP
>>expenditure for Mud in open ground, but it will not prevent the
halftrack
>>from having to make the Bog check as it entered a new hex from
off-road.
>>
>>Feel free to tell me Ifm all wet.
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>> - G
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