Re: Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a)
Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]>
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I was asked on BridgeWinners.com: Suppose a player chooses a call suggested over another by UI, and neither is a LA? Has anyone come across such a situation? What would we want the laws to say about it? On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> wrote: > I like that as well. Or: > > "A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested > over a logical alternative by unauthorized information." > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:05 PM, David Grabiner <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The wording I like: "A player may not choose a call or play that is >> demonstrably suggested by unauthorized information over a logical >> alternative." This connects the "over" directly with "logical >> alternative"; when West doubled instead of passing, was passing a logical >> alternative? >> >> >> On 2/6/2017 1:01 AM, Adam Wildavsky wrote: >> >> A few people pointed out a logical flaw in the "unless there is no >> logical alternative" text. Here's a new version based on a suggestion by >> Andy Bowles: >> >> A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested >> over another by unauthorized information unless the other call or play is >> not a logical alternative. >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Tim! I like it. Laurie Kelso and I are now working up a proposal >>> along these lines. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Timothy N. Hill <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2016 Jul 12, at 12:44, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> … the WBF LC is now considering … >>>> >>>> >>>> …, the partner may not choose a call or play that could demonstrably >>>> have been suggested over another by the extraneous information unless there >>>> is no logical alternative. >>>> >>>> >>>> Better. Now >>>> >>>> - delete “over another,” >>>> - change “could have been” to “is,” >>>> - change the preceding clause to a separate paragraph stating that >>>> extraneous information from partner is unauthorized, and >>>> - in this clause change “extraneous” to “unauthorized.” >>>> >>>> >>>> How ’bout this? >>>> >>>> Extraneous information that may suggest a call or play includes >>>> remarks, questions, replies to questions, unexpected* alerts or >>>> failures to alert, unmistakable hesitation, unwonted speed, special >>>> emphasis, tone, gestures, movements, and mannerisms. Extraneous information >>>> from partner is unauthorized. >>>> >>>> A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested >>>> by unauthorized information from his partner unless there is no logical >>>> alternative. >>>> >>>> A logical alternative is one that a significant proportion of the >>>> class of players in question, using the methods of the partnership, would >>>> seriously consider, and some might select. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> -- >>>> Timothy N. Hill <[email protected]> >>>> mobile: +1 781-929-7673 <%2B1%20781-929-7673>, home: +1 781-235-2902 >>>> <%2B1%20781-235-2902> >>>> 416 Linden Street, Wellesley Hills, MA 02481, USA >>>> Duplicate Bridge Director >>>> American Contract Bridge League: <http://acbl.org/> >>>> Westwood Bridge Club: +1 781-329-2476 <%2B1%20781-329-2476>, < >>>> http://bridgewebs.com/westwood/> >>>> Newton Bridge Club: <http://newtonbridge.com/> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing [email protected]://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> >> -- >> David Grabiner [email protected] (permanent Email; put this in your address book)[email protected] (valid as long as I am with Verizon) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> > _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml