Re: Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a)

On the topic of neither call being an LA, a partnership's explicit system
is over-ridden by implicit Law 40C1 frequent forgetfulness.

See David Burn's fabulous article on the Ghestem / Guessed 'Em convention:
http://blakjak.org/brx_brn0.htm

Best wishes,

Richard Hills

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was asked on BridgeWinners.com: Suppose a player chooses a call
> suggested over another by UI, and neither is a LA? Has anyone come across
> such a situation? What would we want the laws to say about it?
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> I like that as well. Or:
>>
>>   "A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested
>> over a logical alternative by unauthorized information."
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:05 PM, David Grabiner <[email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>
>>> The wording I like: "A player may not choose a call or play that is
>>> demonstrably suggested by unauthorized information over a logical
>>> alternative."  This connects the "over" directly with "logical
>>> alternative"; when West doubled instead of passing, was passing a logical
>>> alternative?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2017 1:01 AM, Adam Wildavsky wrote:
>>>
>>> A few people pointed out a logical flaw in the "unless there is no
>>> logical alternative" text. Here's a new version based on a suggestion
>>> by Andy Bowles:
>>>
>>> A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested
>>> over another by unauthorized information unless the other call or play is
>>> not a logical alternative.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Tim! I like it. Laurie Kelso and I are now working up a
>>>> proposal along these lines.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Timothy N. Hill <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016 Jul 12, at 12:44, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> … the WBF LC is now considering …
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> …, the partner may not choose a call or play that could demonstrably
>>>>> have been suggested over another by the extraneous information unless there
>>>>> is no logical alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Better. Now
>>>>>
>>>>>    - delete “over another,”
>>>>>    - change “could have been” to “is,”
>>>>>    - change the preceding clause to a separate paragraph stating that
>>>>>    extraneous information from partner is  unauthorized, and
>>>>>    - in this clause change “extraneous” to “unauthorized.”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How ’bout this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Extraneous information that may suggest a call or play includes
>>>>>  remarks, questions, replies to questions, unexpected* alerts or
>>>>> failures to alert, unmistakable hesitation, unwonted speed, special
>>>>> emphasis, tone, gestures, movements, and mannerisms. Extraneous information
>>>>> from partner is unauthorized.
>>>>>
>>>>> A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested
>>>>> by unauthorized information from his partner unless there is no logical
>>>>> alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> A logical alternative is one that a significant proportion of the
>>>>> class of players in question, using the methods of the partnership, would
>>>>> seriously consider, and some might select.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
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>>>>
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