Re: Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a)

I don't think that would help. A is suggested over B. B is not an LA. So we
allow A. But if neither is an LA then the pair may have gained an advantage
through the use of UI. The TD could still adjust per 73C, but the two laws
might appear to conflict.

This must be a rare situation since if A were suggested over some other LA,
call it C, then A would clearly be disallowed. No one has yet posted an
example.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Rui Lopes Marques <[email protected]>
wrote:

> EBU and Australia, at least, have interpretations of Law 16 where the
> action of a player is basically defined as LA for the player, period. Does
> it help?
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Wildavsky
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:23 PM
> *To:* Bridge Laws Mailing List <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [BLML] Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a)
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> I was asked on BridgeWinners.com: Suppose a player chooses a call
> suggested over another by UI, and neither is a LA? Has anyone come across
> such a situation? What would we want the laws to say about it?
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> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I like that as well. Or:
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>   "A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested
> over a logical alternative by unauthorized information."
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> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 9:05 PM, David Grabiner <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> The wording I like: "A player may not choose a call or play that is
> demonstrably suggested by unauthorized information over a logical
> alternative."  This connects the "over" directly with "logical
> alternative"; when West doubled instead of passing, was passing a logical
> alternative?
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> On 2/6/2017 1:01 AM, Adam Wildavsky wrote:
>
> A few people pointed out a logical flaw in the "unless there is no
> logical alternative" text. Here's a new version based on a suggestion by
> Andy Bowles:
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> A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested over
> another by unauthorized information unless the other call or play is not a
> logical alternative.
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> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> Thanks, Tim! I like it. Laurie Kelso and I are now working up a proposal
> along these lines.
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> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Timothy N. Hill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> On 2016 Jul 12, at 12:44, Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> wrote:
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> … the WBF LC is now considering …
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> …, the partner may not choose a call or play that could demonstrably have
> been suggested over another by the extraneous information unless there is
> no logical alternative.
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>
> Better. Now
>
>    - delete “over another,”
>    - change “could have been” to “is,”
>    - change the preceding clause to a separate paragraph stating that
>    extraneous information from partner is  unauthorized, and
>    - in this clause change “extraneous” to “unauthorized.”
>
>
>
> How ’bout this?
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> Extraneous information that may suggest a call or play includes remarks, questions,
> replies to questions, unexpected* alerts or failures to alert, unmistakable
> hesitation, unwonted speed, special emphasis, tone, gestures, movements,
> and mannerisms. Extraneous information from partner is unauthorized.
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>
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> A player may not choose a call or play that is demonstrably suggested by
> unauthorized information from his partner unless there is no logical
> alternative.
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> A logical alternative is one that a significant proportion of the class of
> players in question, using the methods of the partnership, would seriously
> consider, and some might select.
>
> Tim
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