Re: Jeeves the Butler
Herman De Wael <[email protected]> Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:47:25 +0200
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The word "mandatory" shuld of course be in quotes. But this raises the ever-important question. How can you ever say that a bid is mandatory? The same cards never came up before - so doing the bid now does not prove that you would always do it. Soevery single call can be called systemic - and none can be so. The fact that a call is made cannot be enough to prove the systemics of it. Not even coupled with the fact that the player says he would do so again ifhe was ever presented with the same situation. Because if you go on that assertion, he will never assert the same thing agsain, and you have no way of calling him a liar if he doesn't say it. No, the systemic nature of a bid must be deduced from the actions of the partner. If he bids 4He over a 1He opening, then the system is that this shows a five-card suit. (which is precisely why I don't like Drury). Nor can the frequency of a psyche determine its systemic nature. Whatever the frequency of a psyche, the partner has a better chance of estimating it than the opponent. That is something the laws on full discolsure should try to remedy, and if that remedy is not present, the Director should adjust for it - but the mere fact that the partner knows the frequency of psyching is not zero should not be enough to call the psyche systemic. After all, you will never be able to prove that you have absolutely no knowledge of partner ever having psyched before. So any ruling that relies solely on partner's knwoledge of the possibility of a psyche is tantamount to the rule "you are allowed to psyche, provided you do it only once in your life". And remember this: the fact that a player will open 1He in a certain situation is not the same as saying that 1He promises that situation. The hand above occurs once every six months. Meanwhile, there have been thousands of normal 1He openings. A call with a very low frequency must not be called psychic. And yes, the hand containint 28 points is also very infrequnet, yet the 2Di opening contains that possibility. But in contract to the H1H, there is a way of showing that infrequent hand (2Di-2He-3NT should do it). Of course, if there is a systemic way of showing the psychic H1H, then that too becomes systemic. But there isn't. OK? Herman. Richard Hills wrote: > Yes, a mandatory psyche is indeed an oxymoron. Law 40C1: "... Repeated > deviations lead to implicit understandings which then form part of the > partnership's methods ..." > > And also Law 40B4: "When a side is damaged by an opponent's use of a > special partnership understanding that does not comply with the > regulations governing the tournament the score shall be adjusted. A side > in breach of those regulations may be subject to a procedural penalty." > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jul 2017, at 5:10 PM, Gordon Rainsford <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> “Mandatory psych”. Oxymoron? >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> *From: *Robert Frick <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent: *26 July 2017 07:48 >> *To: *Bridge Laws Mailing List <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler >> >> >> >> Interesting question. At matchpoints, this is a mandatory psych. We >> can't open 2C in ACBL land, and 1NT could get out of hand, so I will >> open 1D. At IMPs, I will pass. If partner agonized before passing, >> then I open 1D. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:26:21 -0400, Richard Hills >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Swiss Butler Pairs >> >> > Dlr: West >> >> > Vul: North-South >> >> > >> >> > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >> >> > >> >> > You, East, hold: >> >> > >> >> > T96 >> >> > QT6 >> >> > T973 >> >> > 876 >> >> > >> >> > What call do you make? >> >> > >> >> > Best wishes, >> >> > >> >> > Richard Hills >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Blml mailing list >> >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Blml mailing list >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml