Re: Dummy's rights

Am 07.09.2017 um 23:58 schrieb Steve Willner:
> On 2017-09-07 12:02 PM, Peter Eidt wrote:
>> L65A3 takes priority over L43A1(b) because it is the specific law for this
>> situation.
> 
> Thanks for the quick and clear response.  It wasn't obvious to me which 
> of the two Laws is the more specific for this case.
> 
>> Extract of an early draft of the 2017 Commentary:
>> "Law 9A3
>> The laws allow any player to try to prevent a player from committing an
> ...
>> Example 2:
>> ...
>> Law 65B explicitly tells that dummy is allowed to point to this irregularity
>> as long as no card is played to the next trick. "
> 
> That's on point, but the Law number should be L65B3, and the time limit 
> is wrong.  (The initial "65A3" was my mistake, but the "65B" above is an 
> incompleteness in the draft Commentary.)
> 
>>> For a too-late correction, I don't understand how L16B is relevant.
> 
>> Law 16B restrictions are stronger than equity ("had the irregularity not
>> occurred").
> 
> Indeed!
> 
>> When a player has a card wrongly orientated he may be in a wrong assumption
>> of the number of tricks needed to fulfil / defeat the contract.
> 
> Yes, I follow that far.  The question is whether what is normally AI can 
> become UI if a player learns about it in an irregular way.

The key is 16A1
A player may use information in the auction or play if:
(a) it derives from the legal calls and plays of the current board
(including illegal calls and plays that are accepted) and is unaffected
by unauthorized information from another source.

Knowing that the ass of clubs has been played is AI until your partner
shouts "What are you thinking about, CA is already gone!"


> 
> There used to be a provision that a player (except dummy) was entitled 
> to know at any time during play the number of tricks won and lost.  Now 
> I can't find it.  Has it been removed?  If so, what makes the number of 
> tricks AI at all?  Are players still entitled to ask?

I think they are not.
According to 41C you may ask what the contract is.
If it would be  allowed to ask how many tricks already have been made, 	
law 74C4 (Drawing attention to the number of tricks required for success
is forbidden) would be futile.



Volker


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