Re: How careless is careless?

In response to David Grabiner, the use of the word "irrational" in the 1997 claim Laws caused much blml debate, generating more heat than light.

The 2017 Drafting Committee cunningly completely deleted "irrational" from the 2017 claim Laws. Instead, a prospective play post-claim is either "normal" or not "normal".

"Normal" is defined as including play that would be "careless or inferior for the class of player involved".

Best wishes,

Richard Hills

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> On 30 Sep 2017, at 7:15 AM, David Grabiner <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> The question is whether East has a logical alternative, or, equivalently, whether a club lead by East would be irrational.  From your facts, it appears that East knows that West has good spades, and that the club may not be good (because dummy has a higher club, or declarer is likely to have one).  If that is the case, leading a club is irrational (if you use the claim rule) and not a logical alternative (if you use the UI rule), and the defense gets the last two tricks.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Herman De Wael <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Impossible to answer off-table.
>> 
>> At one end of the spectrum, there will always be people who don't know
>> what is going on, and for whom the club return is a possibility. Made
>> 
>> At another end of the spectrum, players should know better and not claim
>> when partner is on lead. Made.
>> 
>> But in the middle, there are certainly situations where I would rule
>> that the spade return is the only possibility. One down.
>> 
>> This is really up to the table director.
>> 
>> Herman.
>> 
>> Tony Musgrove wrote:
>> > Playing 3NT, at the antepenultimate
>> > trick, E wins and W immediately tables
>> > two established spade tricks, claiming
>> > 1 down.  E has a club and a spade and
>> > knows what is going on, and was always
>> > going to lead partners set up suit. And
>> > she is a "good" player.
>> >
>> > A club lead allows contract to make.
>> >
>> > I think maybe RJH would feel constrained
>> > to lead a club to punish partner and
>> > himself, but otherwise I can only fall
>> > back on "careless" (which I have done
>> > myself once when I had two cards of
>> > the same colour).  Declarer says I am
>> > wrong to allow the spade lead from
>> > West, so have agreed to ask the great
>> > and the good,
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Tony (Sydney)
>> >
>> >
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