Re: In between Law 23

I have no problem with adding the option of a 10 card spade suit with 15+ or 
18+ points. Because such an addition is a subset of the 15+ hands with any 
distribution, I thought the discussion had to be about weak/weaker 10 card 
spade holdings.
Bizarre that a system might have an overcall to show any distribution with 
15+ or a 10 card spade holding with 15+.

It was easy to fall into the belief that the 10 card spade holding was much 
weaker. Perhaps I got the bull by the horns but some interesting points have 
been raised nevertheless.

Weak/weaker 10 card spade hands are no longer simply rare. They have become 
impossible holdings after the 15+ bid and do not fit my understanding of 
what similar means. (13+ 14+ might slip in as similar)
Based on that, a comparable call has not been made, so 23C may not be 
applied. Law 23C only applies after the substitution of a comparable call.

23B would not apply either, after a non-comparable call. That notion sounds 
a bit complex as to how the director would present his ruling but I suggest 
82C has taken over by then.

I agree that if adding impossible point ranges or impossible holdings is 
clarified as being similar/comparable then Law 23C would apply.
Jan


-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Willner
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:13 AM
To: Bridge Laws Mailing List
Subject: Re: [BLML] In between Law 23

On 11/7/2017 3:29 PM, Jan Peach wrote:
> Does anyone seriously think that ... adding a 10+ suit ... isn’t a
> change to meaning?

As posted here, many of us think adding an extremely rare hand type is
not a change to meaning.  (I expect everyone will agree that adding a
common but different hand type is a change to meaning.)  Where to draw
the line is not clear, and I hope there will be official guidance.

I also don't understand why you think L23C wouldn't apply if the rare
hand type changes "the outcome of the board."
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