Re: Can a legal non-alert be misinformation anyway?
Eitan Levy <[email protected]> Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:24:19 +0200
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--===============1517585673== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000015b254057a37ecdb" --00000000000015b254057a37ecdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" For your information, here is the relevant part of the EBL Alerting policy: "If screens are not in use, do NOT alert the following: 1. All doubles. 2. Any no-trump bid which suggests a balanced or semi-balanced hand, or suggests a no-trump contract. 3. Any call at the four level or higher, with the exception of conventional calls on the first round of the auction." Eitan On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM Steve Willner <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If opponents are not properly informed, that's either their own > >> fault or a fault with the alerting rules. > > On 11/8/2018 1:18 AM, Herman De Wael wrote: > > OK for the first, but is the second one fair on them? > > I play in the ACBL, so there are lots of rules I don't like. Fair or > not, we have to abide by and rule by what we are given. > > > [Always asking] seems to be a good advice, but it kind of defeats the > > purpose of the non-alert: not giving UI to partner. > > See above about "what we are given." Of course as your opponent, I > _want_ you to have UI if your agreements are shaky. But more than that, > I want to know what the opening bid showed. > > > But anyway - you would always ask in second seat. But suppose your > > partner does not ask (maybe he has looked at the SC) and when it's > > your turn, the 4SP bid has come. Would you still ask? > > Me personally, yes. I'm probably in a minority, though. Namyats is not > so popular here, so without asking I'd probably assume natural diamonds > and some kind of slam try. > > If you're asking what I think the alert regulations should be, I think > "normal alerts on the first round regardless of level" is good. But if > the rule is something else, we just need to make the best of it. In > particular, we can't rule against someone who has met all requirements. > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > --00000000000015b254057a37ecdb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defa= ult" style=3D"font-size:small">For your information, here is the relevant p= art of the EBL Alerting policy:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"= font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:= small">"If screens are not in use, do NOT alert the following:<br></di= v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><ol><li>All double= s.</li><li>Any no-trump bid which suggests a balanced or semi-balanced hand= , or suggests a no-trump contract.</li><li>Any call at the four level or hi= gher, with the exception of conventional calls on the first round of the au= ction."</li></ol></div><p><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-= size:small">Eitan</span></p><p><br></p></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"= gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:39 AM Steve Willner = <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= t</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= :0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">>> If oppone= nts are not properly informed, that's either their own<br> >> fault or a fault with the alerting rules.<br> <br> On 11/8/2018 1:18 AM, Herman De Wael wrote:<br> > OK for the first, but is the second one fair on them?<br> <br> I play in the ACBL, so there are lots of rules I don't like.=C2=A0 Fair= or<br> not, we have to abide by and rule by what we are given.<br> <br> > [Always asking] seems to be a good advice, but it kind of defeats the<= br> > purpose of the non-alert: not giving UI to partner.<br> <br> See above about "what we are given."=C2=A0 Of course as your oppo= nent, I<br> _want_ you to have UI if your agreements are shaky.=C2=A0 But more than tha= t,<br> I want to know what the opening bid showed.<br> <br> > But anyway - you would always ask in second seat. But suppose your<br> > partner does not ask (maybe he has looked at the SC) and when it's= <br> > your turn, the 4SP bid has come. Would you still ask?<br> <br> Me personally, yes.=C2=A0 I'm probably in a minority, though.=C2=A0 Nam= yats is not<br> so popular here, so without asking I'd probably assume natural diamonds= <br> and some kind of slam try.<br> <br> If you're asking what I think the alert regulations should be, I think<= br> "normal alerts on the first round regardless of level" is good.= =C2=A0 But if <br> the rule is something else, we just need to make the best of it.=C2=A0 In <= br> particular, we can't rule against someone who has met all requirements.= <br> _______________________________________________<br> Blml mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml</a><br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000015b254057a37ecdb-- --===============1517585673== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml --===============1517585673==--