Re: [BLML] Victory Points for Swiss Matchpoint Pairs
"Bill Kemp" <[email protected]> Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:38:08 +0800
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As a player and as a director I don=E2=80=99t care which you use. Rather th=
an considering which is fairer I consider them to be different contests, ea=
ch having their own strategy requirement.
Unconverted Double Matchpoints (MP) In a 50 table room gives a top of 98 MP=
=2E We will probably use MP tactics to attempt to maximise the score per bo=
ard.
If we are converting to a 20VP scale, we may play a safer game to gain wins=
=2E
Regarding hand dealt unduplicated boards, I can=E2=80=99t picture any reaso=
nable contest other than win/loss.
What is described as bunny bashing is a necessity in competitive bridge, ho=
wever, it is always good if the losing pair are able to comment on the plea=
santness and courtesy of their opponents.
Cheers
bill
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mikedod@=
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:17 AM
To: Bridge Laws Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [BLML] Victory Points for Swiss Matchpoint Pairs
This is a pet peeve of mine, particularly when hand delt hands are used. It=
's as ridiculous as pair overalls without duplication.
Even with duplicated boards, VP vs win/loss are different games. I prefer =
win/loss as a purer contest with the current opponent and brings state of t=
he match into the forefront. In mixed fields bunny bashing early is at a pr=
emium, not good for the play and is less pleasant at the table. The ACBL a=
nd perhaps the players seem to prefer VP, even with hand delt boards. Sigh=
=2E
Mike Dodson
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Jan Peach
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
As a player, I prefer swiss matchpoint events not to be converted to VPs. I=
=E2=80=99m happy for the luck factor to play its part.
It seems that big scores in the final round may be viewed suspiciously. Big=
scores in earlier rounds are not always noticed.
Can anyone help please with why converting matchpoints to VPs may be desira=
b.
Does it produce more deserving winners?
Is there mathematical proof of this?
Is it so bad to do what players prefer?
Jan
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dent:.5in'><i><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As a player and as=
a director I</span></i><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <i>don=
=E2=80=99t care which you use. Rather than considering which is fairer I co=
nsider them to be different contests, each having their own strategy requir=
ement.<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.=
5in'><i><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Unconverted Double Match=
points (MP) In a 50 table room gives a top of 98 MP. We will probably use M=
P tactics to attempt to maximise the score per board.<o:p></o:p></span></i>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><i><span style=3D'mso-f=
areast-language:EN-US'>If we are converting to a 20VP scale, we may play a =
safer game to gain wins. =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><i><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'=
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=2E5in'><i><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regarding hand dealt =
unduplicated boards, I can=E2=80=99t picture any reasonable contest other t=
han win/loss.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-i=
ndent:.5in'><i><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></i></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><i><span sty=
le=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What is described as bunny bashing is a n=
ecessity in competitive bridge, however, it is always good if the losing pa=
ir are able to comment on the pleasantness and courtesy of their opponents.=
</span></i><b><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> blml-bounces@r=
tflb.org <[email protected]> <b>On Behalf Of </b>mikedod@frontie=
r.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 22, 2017 7:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bridg=
e Laws Mailing List <[email protected]><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [BLML] Vi=
ctory Points for Swiss Matchpoint Pairs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This is a pet peeve of min=
e, particularly when hand delt hands are used. It's as ridiculous as pair o=
veralls without duplication.<o:p></o:p></p><div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTr=
acker_1513897021672"><p class=3DMsoNormal>Even with duplicated boards, =
; VP vs win/loss are different games. I prefer win/loss as a purer contest =
with the current opponent and brings state of the match into the forefront.=
In mixed fields bunny bashing early is at a premium, not good for the play=
and is less pleasant at the table. The ACBL and perhaps the players =
seem to prefer VP, even with hand delt boards. Sigh.<br><br>Mike Dods=
on <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_15138976=
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div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-l=
eft:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6D00F6'>On Thu, Dec=
21, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Jan Peach<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6D00F6'><=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrot=
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iv0669599739><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As a player, I prefer=
swiss matchpoint events not to be converted to VPs. I=E2=80=99m happy for =
the luck factor to play its part.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It seems that big=
scores in the final round may be viewed suspiciously. Big scores in earlie=
r rounds are not always noticed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1513897058077"><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Can anyone hel=
p please with why converting matchpoints to VPs may be desirab.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black'>Does it produce more deserving winners? <o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'=
>Is there mathematical proof of this?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Is it so bad t=
o do what players prefer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jan<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
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