Re: Bush Mark II?
Sloth <[email protected]> Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:47:56 -0400
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--jRf7IAuKQSHKBIKqf0BDb5Xkci1XB5jepmlEAy5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, William Highfield (TopChoiceTees.com) < [email protected]> wrote: > Nor do they > understand how the system is set up to weigh black votes heavier than white. Bullhockey. > In Texas, for example, delegates are awarded based on how each district > voted in the prior election. Right - districts are weighted based on their past performance for the party. Both parties do this, actually. Which makes sense - why would you let a district which is unlikely to vote for your party in the general election choose who your candidate will be for that election? Any racial bias is incidental. > Toss in the > Super-delegates (20% of the Democratic delegates are party big-wigs) and > you see how the party elite completely control who the candidate is. > The primaries are a farce on the Democratic side. The Democratic Party is not a Democracy, and its candidates are largely chosen by the Party members and leadership. This is done for the same reason that, say, GE doesn't pick its CEO by majority vote of all shareholders regardless of share size, nor do they especially solicit the opinions of non-shareholders in said decision. > On the Republican side, no Super-delegates. They call them "Party Delegates." > Winners of each state's > primary get a lion's share of the delegates, thus more of a winner take > all approach state by state. I'm not seeing that as a positive. > When you think of it, I'm not sure who the two parties think they are to > tell states like Florida and Michigan when they can or can't hold their > elections. The Democratic Party can tell the State Democratic Party when to hold their elections, just as the Republican Party can tell the State Republican Party when to hold their elections. It's part of being part of a larger organization. Back to the GE example, corporate hq is well within their rights to dictate operating hours to local stations. -Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --jRf7IAuKQSHKBIKqf0BDb5Xkci1XB5jepmlEAy5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text"> <p>On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, William Highfield (TopChoiceTees.<wbr>com) <<br> <a href="mailto:williamhighfield%40adelphia.net">williamhighfield@<wbr>adelphia.<wbr>net</a>> wrote:<br> > Nor do they<br> > understand how the system is set up to weigh black votes heavier than<br> white.<br> <br> Bullhockey.<br> <br> > In Texas, for example, delegates are awarded based on how each district<br> > voted in the prior election.<br> <br> Right - districts are weighted based on their past performance for the<br> party. Both parties do this, actually. Which makes sense - why would you<br> let a district which is unlikely to vote for your party in the general<br> election choose who your candidate will be for that election? Any racial<br> bias is incidental.<br> <br> > Toss in the<br> > Super-delegates (20% of the Democratic delegates are party big-wigs) and<br> > you see how the party elite completely control who the candidate is.<br> > The primaries are a farce on the Democratic side.<br> <br> The Democratic Party is not a Democracy, and its candidates are largely<br> chosen by the Party members and leadership. This is done for the same<br> reason that, say, GE doesn't pick its CEO by majority vote of all<br> shareholders regardless of share size, nor do they especially solicit the<br> opinions of non-shareholders in said decision.<br> <br> > On the Republican side, no Super-delegates.<br> <br> They call them "Party Delegates."<br> <br> > Winners of each state's<br> > primary get a lion's share of the delegates, thus more of a winner take<br> > all approach state by state.<br> <br> I'm not seeing that as a positive.<br> <br> > When you think of it, I'm not sure who the two parties think they are to<br> > tell states like Florida and Michigan when they can or can't hold their<br> > elections.<br> <br> The Democratic Party can tell the State Democratic Party when to hold their<br> elections, just as the Republican Party can tell the State Republican Party<br> when to hold their elections. It's part of being part of a larger<br> organization. Back to the GE example, corporate hq is well within their<br> rights to dictate operating hours to local stations.<br> <br> -Joe<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width="1" style="color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar"> <span class="left"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/message/16494;_ylc=X3oDMTM1czBoM2thBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEbXNnSWQDMTY0OTgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg3MjgxBHRwY0lkAzE2NDk0"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld">5</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwaW10NnZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEbXNnSWQDMTY0OTgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg3Mjgx?act=reply&messageNum=16498"> <span class="bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMjRzOTdyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg3Mjgx" class="bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkc2plcDU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbXNncwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg3Mjgx">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNnIybTNnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4NzI4MQ--">Files</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJka2NwNXI4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg3Mjgx">Photos</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlc3R1NjZnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4NzI4MQ--">Links</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZW5lcGttBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZGIEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4NzI4MQ--">Database</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZ2o5cmozBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcG9sbHMEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4NzI4MQ--">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkb3FydGUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg3Mjgx">Members</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJja21nM2U3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDY2FsBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI1ODcyODE-">Calendar</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-grft"> </div> <div id="ygrp-mkp"> <div id="hd">MARKETPLACE</div> <div id="ads"> <div class="ad"> <a href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13rtuj2c8/M=624381.12730922.13032918.10835568/D=groups/S=1705057147:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1212594482/L=/B=eX.ZAELaX.0-/J=1212587282236410/A=5368227/R=0/SIG=14evd63no/*http://media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/href?banner=189158&place=26143&url_=http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/display.com?cid=bbi00027">Blockbuster is giving away a free trial of Blockbuster Total Access to smart movie lovers like you.</a> </div> </div> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdmpiMXAxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI1ODcyODE-"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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